18:59 <@slyfox> !proj council 18:59 <+willikins> (council@gentoo.org) dilfridge, gyakovlev, mattst88, slyfox, ulm, whissi, williamh 19:00 <@slyfox> Another installment of council@ meeting is about to begin \o/ 19:00 <@slyfox> Today's agenda: https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/3cb2e3fbc0c73682d30cf8d8e9f6943a 19:00 <@slyfox> 1. Roll call 19:00 * gyakovlev here 19:00 * slyfox here 19:00 * ulm here 19:00 * dilfridge here 19:01 <@slyfox> let's give a few minutes to others to pop up 19:01 * mattst88 here 19:01 * WilliamH here 19:02 <@slyfox> Whissi: ^ 19:05 <@slyfox> declaring arbitrary 5 minute timeout 19:05 <@slyfox> Let's do [3.] first. Don't know why I put it after bug triage. 19:05 <@slyfox> 3. Vote on proposal to CoC change to encourage clear communication 19:06 <@slyfox> Proposed change: https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/b6c436b61a3b66fc30ba990fc983133f 19:06 <@gyakovlev> tldr 19:06 <@gyakovlev> +* '''Use concise and clear language.''' The Gentoo community includes people from all over the world, with varying English skills and available time. 19:06 <@slyfox> Anything to discuss here? Other wise we'll move straight on to voting. 19:07 <@dilfridge> well, it's not something really enforcable, but it makes sense in any case 19:07 <@ulm> is that the best wording we can come up with? 19:07 <@ulm> compare with debian for example: https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct 19:08 <@ulm> but yeah, I won't oppose mgorny's wording 19:08 <+mgorny> i've tried to keep it short, in style of our CoC 19:08 <@mattst88> it seems fine; I would have suggested that you respond to the thread if you wanted different wording 19:09 <+mgorny> that said, if a native speaker has a better idea, i'm open to it 19:10 <+mgorny> (or non-native speaker too) 19:10 <@WilliamH> I'm not really keen on the "and available time" part, That should be obvious since we are all volunteers etc. 19:10 <+sam_> you could say all of it should be obvious 19:10 <@ulm> that would be included under "acceptable behavior" I suppose 19:10 <+sam_> really, I think we could've nitpicked phrasing pre-meeting 19:11 <@dilfridge> let's vote 19:11 <@slyfox> Allright. I think literal wording is not too bad to tweak slightly later. Let's vote on the proposal as is then. 19:11 <@slyfox> Vote on addition of CoC entry "+* '''Use concise and clear language.''' The Gentoo community includes people from all over the world, with varying English skills and available time." 19:11 * mattst88 votes yes 19:11 * mattst88 votes yes 19:11 * gyakovlev yes 19:11 * dilfridge yes 19:11 * slyfox yes 19:11 * ulm yes 19:12 * WilliamH yes 19:12 <+mgorny> now that i look at it, maybe 'amount of available time' would be more correct but that's a detail 19:12 <@slyfox> Whissi: ^ are you around by chance? 19:13 <@slyfox> Vote concluded: 6 yes, 1 unavailable. Passed. 19:13 * Whissi here 19:13 <@slyfox> Just in time! 19:13 <@slyfox> Let's collect your vote as well and recount :) 19:13 * Whissi yes 19:13 <@slyfox> Vote concluded: 7 yes. Passed \o/ 19:13 <@dilfridge> \o/ 19:14 <@slyfox> 2. Open bugs with council involvement 19:14 <@slyfox> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council#Open_bugs_with_Council_participation 19:14 <@ulm> point of order, the vote was already concluded 19:14 <@ulm> but won't make any difference anyway 19:14 <@slyfox> *nod* 19:14 <@slyfox> #688876 Communit Develope comrel@gentoo.org CONF --- Comrel webpage does not document expectations of privacy 19:14 <@slyfox> bug #688876 19:14 <+willikins> slyfox: https://bugs.gentoo.org/688876 "Comrel webpage does not document expectations of privacy"; Community Relations, Developer Relations; CONF; rich0:comrel 19:15 <@slyfox> No response from comrel@. I'll ping the bug. 19:15 <@gyakovlev> slyfox: that was on me but i did not follow up on this with comrel due to real-life business and holidays. will do this time. 19:15 <@slyfox> aha, sounds good! 19:15 <@slyfox> bug #677824 19:15 <+willikins> slyfox: https://bugs.gentoo.org/677824 "Deferred decision: Forums (specifically OTW)"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; CONF; k_f:council 19:16 <@slyfox> I think decision was sorted and we can close the bug. Yes? 19:16 <@ulm> OTW is gone AFAICS 19:16 <@dilfridge> yes 19:16 <@mattst88> yes 19:16 <@gyakovlev> last time I checked OTW is no longer visible. not sure about the actual data. 19:16 <+mgorny> at least not visible 19:16 <+mgorny> and i think someone explicitly says they're making it hidden 19:16 <@dilfridge> and for the record I am *very* glad that we managed to sort this out before the ongoing US desaster 19:16 <@mattst88> I'd like to note that I am disappointed that the forums team created a new semi-off topic forum without even mentioning it to council 19:16 <@slyfox> *nod*, will close the bug 19:17 <@mattst88> > Other Things Open Source 19:17 <@slyfox> :) 19:17 <+sam_> also: it was closed a few days early unilaterally by a moderator, I understand 19:17 <+sam_> (a week?) 19:17 <@Whissi> Well, it was a deadline. Not a fixed date. 19:17 <+sam_> sure, I'm just noting. :) 19:18 <@slyfox> *nod*, moving on 19:18 <@slyfox> bug #751010 19:18 <+willikins> slyfox: https://bugs.gentoo.org/751010 "Missing log and summaries for 20191110, 20191208, and 20200412 council meetings"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; CONF; ulm:council 19:18 * dilfridge sneaks off into a dark corner 19:18 <@slyfox> dilfridge and gyakovlev FYI ^ 19:18 <@gyakovlev> mine still missing, same reason - real life got in the way 19:18 <@dilfridge> willdo 19:18 <@ulm> 2020-11 is also missing 19:18 <@slyfox> bug #754009 19:18 <@gyakovlev> I have to write OTW meeting summary lol 19:18 <@gyakovlev> that's a big one 19:19 <@slyfox> that one is 754009 Gentoo C unspecif council@gentoo.org CONF --- Council vote request, short term stopgap measure: Forums "Off The Wall" is *immediately* be set to "only visible for logged-in users" 19:19 <@slyfox> also sorted 19:19 <@dilfridge> yes 19:19 <@slyfox> bug #662982 19:19 <+willikins> slyfox: https://bugs.gentoo.org/662982 "[TRACKER] New default locations for the Gentoo repository, distfiles, and binary packages"; Gentoo Linux, Current packages; CONF; zmedico:dev-portage 19:19 <@Whissi> Sorry, I have that scheduled for this week... for some reason I added council meeting for next week instead of today to my calendar (that's why I am also late) :/ 19:20 <@slyfox> Last update on the bug is almost a year ago :) 19:20 <@slyfox> Whissi, you are taking it, right? 19:20 <@slyfox> (making sure these are not overlay updates to older bugs) 19:20 <@Whissi> Yes, bug will get an update this week. 19:20 <@slyfox> *nod* 19:21 <@slyfox> bug #736760 19:21 <+willikins> slyfox: https://bugs.gentoo.org/736760 "Application to Software Freedom Conservancy"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; mgorny:trustees 19:21 <@slyfox> As I understand it's FYI for council@ 19:21 <@slyfox> AAAAAAAAnd last one: big #729062 19:22 <@slyfox> bug #729062 19:22 <+willikins> slyfox: https://bugs.gentoo.org/729062 "Services and Software which is critical for Gentoo should be developed/run in the Gentoo namespace"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; IN_P; jstein:council 19:22 <+mgorny> slyfox: and no new info 19:22 <+antarus> mgorny: shall we close https://bugs.gentoo.org/736760 ? 19:22 <+mgorny> i suppose we should ping them again 19:22 <@slyfox> *nod*, thanks for the update 19:22 <+antarus> or do we expect to actually hear from them? 19:22 <@Whissi> It's the same... I planned to meet with jstein upcoming week to get this tackled 19:22 <+mgorny> i mean, the other thingies 19:22 <@slyfox> aha, sounds good 19:22 <@Whissi> We still plan to post an update to ml with a motion 19:22 <+antarus> mgorny: ah, yes SPI and collective are still open 19:22 <@slyfox> That's all for bug backlog. 19:22 <+mgorny> antarus: did Robin finish the paperwork they requested? 19:23 <+antarus> I should follow up on that then; my understanding was that we wuold not proceed with SFC (but as mentioned on thread the information is likely similar for other orgs) 19:24 <+mgorny> antarus: *i* agree with not proceeding but i'm not the one to make a decision here 19:24 <+antarus> mgorny: ok I'll take an AI to follow up with more concrete steps 19:24 <+mgorny> Gentoo: where AI decides on stuff 19:24 * mgorny hides 19:24 <+antarus> (right now I'm trying to get our fiscal 2020 taxes in order; as we have not paid them yet.) 19:25 <+antarus> mgorny: I'm spending all the AWS credits on GPUs and machine learning man 19:25 * dilfridge supposes we should work on our natural intelligence first 19:25 <@slyfox> Allright. 19:25 <@slyfox> 4. Open floor 19:26 <@mattst88> I'm curious if we have an update on the phpbb upgrade, since that seemed to be an important point for a lot of people last month 19:26 <+antarus> no 19:26 <@gyakovlev> mattst88: or just a red herring? =) 19:27 <@mattst88> gyakovlev++ 19:27 <+antarus> Due to changing priorities in infra, I have not done the upgrade 19:27 <@Whissi> mattst88: Good point. 19:27 <+antarus> although it is still planned 19:27 <@Whissi> antarus: What's the forum's upgrade status? 19:27 <@Whissi> Or is Christmas still coming for you? *duck* ;-) 19:27 <+antarus> the status is unchanged from teh last council meeting 19:28 <+antarus> the new software is installed, but we need to do the import of the existing forums (basically a DB migration) 19:28 <@gyakovlev> Whissi: I, for example, have to celebrate both 25 dec and 7 jan Christmases, so it's just concluded. a lot of holidays. 19:28 <+antarus> and its buggy and takes forever and hasn't completed successfully 19:29 <@Whissi> antarus: Are you the only one involved/working on that or do you have to coordinate with someone? 19:29 <+antarus> just me currently 19:29 <@mattst88> antarus: thanks for the update. no problem from me 19:29 <@Whissi> OK, thank you for the update. 19:30 <+antarus> if arzano finds copious spare time after his move 19:30 <+antarus> perhaps I'll delegate 19:30 <+antarus> he is good at getting shit done, heh 19:31 <@dilfridge> :D 19:31 <@slyfox> Any other topics? 19:32 <@slyfox> (giving a few minutes) 19:34 <@slyfox> -ETIMEDOUT 19:34 <@slyfox> All right. I hereby declare meeting done!