[21:00:00] <@mgorny> meeting time!
[21:00:08] <@mgorny> !proj council
[21:00:09] <willikins> (council@gentoo.org) dilfridge, gyakovlev, marecki, mattst88, mgorny, sam, ulm
[21:00:10] <@mgorny> soap: 
[21:00:17] -*- gyakovlev here
[21:00:18] -*- dilfridge here
[21:00:20] -*- sam_ here
[21:00:21] -*- mattst88 here
[21:00:24] <@mgorny> agenda: https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/c72329dc8e721068a09e59d6ddf89e22
[21:00:25] -*- ulm here
[21:00:27] -*- soap here (for marecki)
[21:00:32] -*- mgorny here
[21:00:37] <@mgorny> and that was 1. roll call
[21:00:53] <@mgorny> 2. Operating model of Gentoo project and Gentoo Foundation [1]
[21:01:05] <@mgorny> [1] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/2fea68fbd3a193098fd97ddac04a3e3d
[21:01:26] <@mgorny> antarus indicated he can't attend (again), so unless someone wants to discuss it anyway, let's postpone it to next meeting
[21:01:43] <@dilfridge> yup
[21:01:44] <@sam_> i'd be happy to but i don't see much point given we'll end up retreading the same ground
[21:01:48] <@sam_> let's really try to do it for the next one though
[21:01:57] <@sam_> rescheduling council meeting if necessary (or having a bonus one)
[21:02:15] <@dilfridge> sending some goons after antarus :P
[21:02:27] <+soap> :+1:
[21:02:44] <@mgorny> does someone want to take this point, and contact antarus about finding a good date?
[21:03:39] <@mgorny> ok, ok, i'll do it
[21:03:41] <@mgorny> moving on
[21:03:51] <@mgorny> 3. Open bugs with Council participation
[21:04:08] <@mgorny> 3a. Bug 736760 - Application to Software Freedom Conservancy
[21:04:10] <willikins> https://bugs.gentoo.org/736760 "Application to Software Freedom Conservancy"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; mgorny:trustees
[21:04:21] <@mgorny> apparently we've asked trustees to close the bug
[21:04:29] <@sam_> i'll ping again now elections are done
[21:04:38] <@mgorny> ok
[21:04:44] <@sam_> I was told that nothing was likely to happen until post-elections before
[21:05:01] <@sam_> (I should've updated bug, but did mention it in last meeting iirc)
[21:05:10] <@mgorny> 3b. Bug 793164 - GLEP 82: Repository configuration file (layout.conf)
[21:05:11] <willikins> https://bugs.gentoo.org/793164 "GLEP 82: Repository configuration file (layout.conf)"; Documentation, New GLEP submissions; IN_P; mgorny:glep
[21:05:21] <@mgorny> i think we can vote for marking it final
[21:05:29] <@mgorny> pkgcore+pkgcheck implementation is done
[21:05:41] <@ulm> +1
[21:05:45] <+soap> +1
[21:05:46] <@sam_> that was going to be my only question
[21:05:48] <@sam_> +1
[21:05:54] <@dilfridge> excellent
[21:05:55] <@mgorny> motion: Mark GLEP 82 Final
[21:06:00] <@mattst88> \o/
[21:06:02] -*- dilfridge yes
[21:06:02] -*- ulm yes
[21:06:05] -*- mattst88 yes
[21:06:05] -*- soap yes
[21:06:13] -*- sam_ yes
[21:06:22] -*- gyakovlev yes
[21:06:26] -*- mgorny yes
[21:06:33] <@mgorny> passed unanimously
[21:06:59] <@mgorny> 3c. Bug 801937 - Translators' requests on wiki are blocked since november 2019
[21:07:00] <willikins> mgorny: https://bugs.gentoo.org/801937 "Translators' requests on wiki are blocked since november 2019"; Websites, Wiki; IN_P; marco:wiki
[21:07:11] <@mgorny> not sure if there's anything for us left to do here
[21:07:24] <@sam_> i do have one remark to make
[21:07:29] <@sam_> i don't really understand how gentoo's wiki is special here
[21:07:31] <@mgorny> seems like there's some debate inside wiki team for this
[21:07:41] <@sam_> surely basically all translation efforts suffer from this problem?
[21:07:49] <@sam_> (validation of input)
[21:08:12] <@sam_> it seems like the best mitigation is just to try get multiple translators per language and rely on them reporting it to us
[21:08:13] <@mgorny> well, i think we may be using a different model than your average wiki
[21:08:25] <@mgorny> i think normally wikis are separate per language
[21:08:46] <@mgorny> while we have this weird combination of per-paragraph translation with handbook built from cross-included parts
[21:09:46] <@mgorny> ok, so do we want to close the bug or continue observing?
[21:10:05] <@sam_> hm
[21:10:36] <@sam_> I'd like to keep observing but I'm not sure what's going to change
[21:10:43] <@mgorny> btw i'm not sure if i understand maffblaster's point
[21:10:43] <@ulm> let's close the bug
[21:10:45] <@sam_> I don't have the wiki knowledge to suggest any sort of improvements right now
[21:10:56] <@sam_> I don't think I get the real problem in a sense
[21:10:58] <@mgorny> "should we remove the extra privileges for translations" -> what does he mean?
[21:11:01] <@ulm> I'm watching the translator request page
[21:11:14] <@sam_> mgorny: right
[21:11:21] <@mgorny> disabling translations from handbook? disabling entirely? or letting people translate freely?
[21:11:36] <@ulm> mgorny: that everyone can add translations, I think
[21:11:48] <@ulm> not sure how that's supposed to improve quality
[21:12:26] <@sam_> oh, I see, not adding this manual approval step
[21:12:35] <@sam_> it's probably useful to keep it because it avoids spam a bit 
[21:12:43] <@sam_> we can notice if there's a surge for a certain language
[21:13:26] <@sam_> ok let's close it as ulm said?
[21:13:35] <@mgorny> motion: close bug 801937
[21:13:36] <willikins> mgorny: https://bugs.gentoo.org/801937 "Translators' requests on wiki are blocked since november 2019"; Websites, Wiki; IN_P; marco:wiki
[21:14:11] <@ulm> do we really need to vote on this?
[21:14:30] <@mgorny> ulm: should i put that up as motion? ;-P
[21:14:52] <@mgorny> *shrug*
[21:15:07] <@mattst88> just close it :)
[21:15:11] <@mgorny> ok, will do
[21:15:17] <@mgorny> moving to the last point
[21:15:21] <@ulm> seems there's consensus
[21:15:25] <@mgorny> 4. Open floor
[21:15:46] <@mgorny> does anyone have any item?
[21:16:56] <@sam_> I'd like to consider "upgrade lifcycles" at some point but I don't have notes ready for now. Mainly just about formalising efforts to support upgrades for X period and to try document a procedure for e.g. new EAPI versions and bootstrap packages not having new EAPIs for a while, and such.
[21:17:09] <@sam_> So, no, not right now, but I'd welcome any thoughts post-meeting while I consider it more
[21:17:33] <@sam_> The gist is to have a checklist so that we don't "get excited" like with EAPI 8 and end up making upgrades hard for people
[21:17:43] <@sam_> I think the GLEP we recently approved helps with that
[21:19:04] <@mgorny> ok
[21:19:12] -*- mgorny bangs the gavel
[21:19:21] <@sam_> thank you!
[21:19:24] <@mgorny> thanks, everyone
[21:19:50] <@dilfridge> thanks :)
[21:19:52] <@mgorny> so quick summary:
[21:19:58] <@mgorny> i'll approach antarus over his item
[21:20:17] <@mgorny> ulm: will you take care of the glep?
[21:20:27] <@ulm> will do
[21:20:30] <@mgorny> thanks
[21:20:47] * ulm has changed topic for #gentoo-council to: "218th meeting: 2021-10-10 19:00 UTC | https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20211010T19 | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council | https://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/decisions.html"
[21:20:49] <@mgorny> and i'll close the wiki bug