<@ulm> !proj council [20:00] (council@gentoo.org) ajak, dilfridge, gyakovlev, mattst88, mgorny, sam, ulm <@ulm> agenda is here: https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/a24e9a4d7c769d9e09f5dc2312ee9452 <@ulm> roll call * mattst88 here * dionysos here * mgorny here *** dionysos (~quassel@gentoo/developer/dilfridge) is now known as dilfridge * dilfridge here * ajak here <@ajak> sam_: [20:01] <@ulm> gyakovlev: sam_: * ulm here <@ulm> let's wait until 19:05 [20:02] <@dilfridge> happy new year everyone, let it have less unpleasant surprises than the last one <@ulm> I expect this to be a short meeting anyway * mattst88 is going to remember to try to avoid chairing Nov/Dec meetings in the future :P [20:03] * dilfridge is going to remember to try to avoid chairing <@ajak> lol <@ulm> so, 5 council members are present, so we have a quorum [20:05] <@ulm> let's proceed <@ulm> open bugs <@ulm> there's only one public bug <@ulm> bug 729062 ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/729062 "Services and Software which is critical for Gentoo should be developed/run in the Gentoo namespace"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; IN_P; jstein:council <@ulm> any progress there? [20:06] <@ajak> i'd say we should reassign it elsewhere but not sure if there's anywhere better to assign it <@mattst88> don't think so <@ajak> but, nothing for us to do now anyway <@mattst88> I think we should definitely unassign it <@ulm> I'm going to ping jstein about what to do there <@ulm> there's two private bugs, but I don't think there's progress for these either [20:07] <@ulm> so, proceed to open floor? <@ajak> but isn't there glep76 movement? <@ulm> it's not on the agenda [20:08] <@ajak> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/data/glep.git/commit/?h=glep76&id=f8c192768983929e0d028d58e32e3e6e9b4d8458 was approved last time <@ajak> it's relevant to one of the private bugs <@ulm> it's waiting for trustees approval <@ajak> ah [20:09] <@ulm> or at least I think that was the conclusion last time <@ulm> open floor <+arthurzam> I'm sorry, but I still see missing summaries in https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/Meeting_logs <@ulm> I've one item [20:10] <@ulm> arthurzam: can you file a bug, or shall I? <+arthurzam> ulm: better you, as I'm very tired <@ajak> i don't think that's necessary, matt's written them and sent them for review to coucnil@ <@ajak> council@* <@dilfridge> 2022 in retrospect is under construction [20:11] <@ajak> so just waiting for a push i guess? <@ulm> ah, right :) <+arthurzam> ok, thank you :) <@ulm> https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-pms/message/3f70244e989c0e1f2fe7759f85bc06a5 <@ajak> mattst88: please push nov/dec meeting summaries <@ulm> this is a clarification for variable scope of D [20:12] <@ulm> and ED <@ulm> basically, we'd update PMS to follow portage there <@dilfridge> thanks <+arthurzam> (pkgcore & pkgcheck are simple to update to match, so not a blocker) <@ulm> just wanting to make the council aware of it <@mgorny> i can't say i like it [20:13] <@mgorny> but that's probably something to be discussed on #-pms <@mgorny> (sorry, didn't have time earlier) [20:14] <@ulm> mgorny: it's a restriction that belongs in tree policy, not something to be enforced by the PM <@ulm> so, do I push this, or do we vote on it in the next meeting? <@mgorny> i'm not council-blocking it but please give it some more thought after hearing me out ;-) [20:15] <@mgorny> because i feel like we're addressing the wrong problem here <@ulm> well, either we update PMS, or we have portage enforce current PMS wording <@ulm> which will make all hell break loose <@mattst88> ajak: I pushed the summaries a bit before the meeting <@ajak> oh thanks [20:16] <@ajak> in that case i'll update the page <@mgorny> ulm: we can also choose the hard way, and make portage qawarn people into using D properly <@mgorny> with minimal direct fallout [20:17] <@ajak> ah nevermind, you just did it :) <@mgorny> ulm: ah, sorry, i've just reread the patch <@mgorny> you're saying ebuilds are not allowed to put files there before src_install, so i'm fine with the change as-is [20:18] <@ulm> anyway, I suggest we discuss the PMS change on mailing lists if necessary <@ulm> since we won't have much progress here <@ulm> anything else for open floor? [20:19] * ulm bangs the gavel [20:20] <@ulm> meeting closed <@mgorny> thanks! <@ajak> thanks! <@ulm> thanks everybody <@dilfridge> thanks *** ulm (~ulm@gentoo/developer/ulm) has set the topic for #gentoo-council: "234th meeting: 2023-02-12 19:00 UTC | https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20230212T19 | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council | https://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/decisions.pdf"