<@ulm> meeting time                                                     [20:00]
<@ulm> !proj council
<willikins> (council@gentoo.org) ajak, dilfridge, mattst88, mgorny, sam, soap,
            ulm
<@sam_> \o
* soap here
<@ulm> agenda: https://marc.info/?l=gentoo-project&m=170474770913416&w=2
* mattst88 here
* mgorny here
<@ulm> 1. roll call
* sam_ here
* ajak here
* ulm here
<+Arsen> here (in place of dilfridge)
<@ulm> ok, all here                                                     [20:01]
<@ulm> 2. Foundation dissolution status update
<@ulm> no news, I fear
<@ulm> or has somebody reached out to other distros?
<@sam_> I reached out to adelie but I need to speak to someone else     [20:02]
<@sam_> (the person I spoke to passed me onto someone else, and I need to
        follow that up)
<@ulm> k
<@ulm> thanks
<@ulm> so hopefully some update next month
<@ulm> anyone else wants to speak up?                                   [20:03]
<@ulm> 3. Refresh Hetzner servers
<@ulm> https://marc.info/?l=gentoo-project&m=170415728917799&w=2
<@ulm> robbat2: are you here?
<@ulm> IIUC it's additional cost of 4 euros per month plus 39 euros one-time
       charge                                                           [20:04]
<@ulm> so looks like a no-brainer?                                      [20:05]
<@ulm> any comments?
<@mattst88> seems good to me                                            [20:06]
<@mgorny> lgtm
<+Arsen> dilf has mentioned that he'd like it to stay in europe, and AX102
         seems to match his description
<@sam_> yeah, I hadn't clocked before that oystercatcher was already at
        Hetzner
<@sam_> it sounds good to me 
<@ajak> i don't hate the idea of adding drives to OSL but i don't feel super
        strongly
<@sam_> that's the 2nd bit i think ajak
<@sam_> rather than the refresh
<+Arsen> right, think so too
<@ajak> oh sorry
<+Arsen> the refresh is new metal for the binhost, yes?
<@ajak> yes
<@ulm> so, let's vote                                                   [20:07]
<@ulm> motion: approve infra's request to refresh the Hetzner servers
* mattst88 yes
* mgorny yes
* Arsen yes
* sam_ yes
* ajak yes
* soap yes
* ulm yes
<@ulm> unanimous with 7 yes votes
<@ulm> thanks
<@ulm> 4. Hardware for online historical distfile archive
<@ulm> same mail message as above, plus bug 834712                      [20:08]
<willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/834712 ""Old" or "historical" Gentoo
            distfiles mirror"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Other; CONF;
            badatcomputerslongytemail:infra-bugs
<@sam_> first I'd just want to say I think fixing the bug is pretty important
<@sam_> especially for stuff like our own patchsets 
<@sam_> preserving our history matters but also helping users upgrade old
        systems, and also verifying provenance
<@sam_> so i'm glad we're looking at it
<+arthurzam> (just noting that both links brought up in the mail are "out of
             stock", so you might need to approve price range and not precise
             one)
<@sam_> wrt the ML discussion: it's not in robbat2's proposal, but I wouldn't
        want us to do amazon as some suggested                          [20:09]
<@sam_> nixos have got themselves into *very* deep financial issues by leaning
        heavily on AWS
<@sam_>
        https://discourse.nixos.org/t/the-nixos-foundations-call-to-action-s3-costs-require-community-support/28672
                                                                        [20:10]
<@sam_>
        https://discourse.nixos.org/t/s3-update-and-recap-of-community-call/28942
<@sam_> https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-s3-short-term-resolution/29413
<@mgorny> yes, we really don't want to use amazon for anything
<@mgorny> if only because the guy's total asshole
<@mgorny> and because they never replied to us wrt open source credits
* ajak nods                                                             [20:11]
<@soap> agreed
<@ulm> robbat2's first preference was to buy some physical drives
<@sam_> (they're literally forking out $10k/mo)
<@sam_> yeah, I think that's my preference too
<@mgorny> yep                                                           [20:12]
<+Arsen> dilfridge mentioned that the 'extra new machine for the archive
         server is also good'
<@mgorny> my only concern is copyright
<@mgorny> i'm worried that at least some of the historical distfiles haven't
          been restricted properly
<+Arsen> that is quite possible
<@ulm> yeah, we sort that out as we go
<@mgorny> also i wonder if we should try contacting archive.org
<@mgorny> i mean, archiving software is one of the things they do       [20:13]
<@sam_> Eli isn't around at the moment (sourcehut is being ddos'd) but IIRC
        he'd mentioned before that archive.org handles something like the Arch
        distfiles set
<@sam_> would be worth asking about that as well (although not a blocker)
<@ulm> mgorny: we'll only put files there that we had mirrored at some point
       in the past, right?
<+Arsen> seems reasonable
<@ajak> yeah good idea but i think we should maintain our own primary
        repository and maybe get them to mirror it or something
<@ajak> (since presumably our mirrors won't)                            [20:14]
<@mattst88> yeah, I suggest we just buy some disks first and get the project
            moving                                                      [20:15]
<@ulm> motion: approve infra's request to buy physical disk drives for an
       online historical distfile archive
* sam_ yes                                                              [20:16]
* ajak yes
* Arsen yes
* mattst88 yes
* mgorny yes
* soap yes
* ulm yes
<@ulm> unanimous with 7 yes votes
<@ulm> 5. Open bugs with Council participation
<@ulm> I see only bug 920711 at this time                               [20:17]
<willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/920711 "Removal of legacy distfile
            mirror layout breaks ebuilds and eclasses which use
            mirror://gentoo"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; CONF;
            eschwartz93:council
<@mgorny> i don't think this is really a council issue
<@sam_> I don't think we want to undo anything with the migration there, it's
        more that we should be aware of it given it happened because of our
        decision
<@sam_> we just need to get on with killing mirror://gentoo finally
<@mgorny> we should 1) not use mirror://gentoo for new stuff
<@ulm> +1
<@mgorny> 2) for old stuff, we can update it to use mirror://gentoo/XX/...
<@ulm> but see my comment #4                                            [20:18]
<@sam_> yeah, I was just about to cite that
<@mgorny> but we really need infra to finally set up proper distfile hosting
<@ulm> anyway, let's reassign that bug (to whom?)
<@sam_> I guess it's a qa thing
<@sam_> turn it into a tracker                                          [20:19]
<@ulm> I'd have reassigned to mgorny, but qa wfm :)
<@mgorny> mgorny = qa
* mgorny hides
<@ulm> anyway, let's move on                                            [20:20]
<@ulm> 6. open floor
<@ulm> nothing?                                                         [20:21]
<@mattst88> doesn't look like it :)
<@ulm> meeting is closed then. thanks, everybody                        [20:22]
<@ajak> thanks!
<@mgorny> thanks
<@mattst88> thanks :)
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<+Arsen> o/ thanks
<@sam_> thank you!
<@soap> thanks!