<@ulm> meeting time [20:00] <@ulm> !proj council (council@gentoo.org) arthurzam, dilfridge, mgorny, robbat2, sam, soap, ulm <@ulm> agenda is here: https://public-inbox.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/ufrjva8g1@gentoo.org/ <@ulm> roll call * @arthurzam here * @dilfridge here * @soap here * @mgorny here * @ulm here * @sam_ here [20:01] <@arthurzam> robbat2 said he might be late in some minutes because of personal stuff <@ulm> let's wait 5 minutes <@ulm> otherwise the meeting may already be finished :) [20:02] <@ulm> moving on [20:05] <@ulm> 2. open bugs <@ulm> bug 936211 <@arthurzam> bot might be tired <@ulm> [Tracker] Gentoo Foundation dissolution <@sam_> ulm: !botsnack <@dilfridge> as far as I know no news <@ulm> I haven't seen any progress either <@ulm> we'll have to transfer the trademarks at some point [20:06] <@ulm> anything else for this bug? <@dilfridge> I think robbat2 was waiting for... <@robbat2> here now <@dilfridge> the financial reporting from spi, to see if we can move the expenses [20:07] <@ulm> excellent <@ulm> robbat2: any addition w.r.t. foundation dissolution? <@robbat2> spi still has not put up official monthly financal statements :-( <@robbat2> i think we need to figure out how to do most of this without them [20:08] <@robbat2> or risk running another year <@ulm> ok [20:09] <@ulm> next, we have some missing summaries, #948684, #948686 and #948687 <@robbat2> if anybody has suggestions to get SPI on track - other than me just joining the SPI; am I all ears <@robbat2> onwards; thank you ulm [20:10] <@dilfridge> ulm: two done, more will be done <@ulm> k <@ulm> when? :) <@sam_> i'll do them after the meeting before starting anything exciting <@sam_> mien i mean <@dilfridge> manana <@ulm> 3. open floor <@ulm> anything? [20:11] <@robbat2> nothing from me <@dilfridge> just fyi <@ulm> dilfridge? [20:12] <@dilfridge> separate admincd are going away, the programs are integrated into the installcd <@dilfridge> also <@dilfridge> ppc64le switched from genkernel to dist-kernel + dracut <@ulm> will it still fit on a CD, or is this not longer a concern? [20:13] <@dilfridge> and next catalyst run will try to build a riscv qcow2 <@dilfridge> ulm: it should <@robbat2> or you found a way to shrink admincd :-( <@robbat2> admincd is ~800MB to installcd being 605M right now <@dilfridge> same programs as on admincd, even 1 or 2 more <@dilfridge> it should not be larger than current admincd [20:14] <@robbat2> so the news item here is that installcd is going to grow by 200MB; but there is an overall mirror saving <@dilfridge> yes, more or less [20:15] <@dilfridge> but let's wait until the builds have run <@ulm> may be time to drop the cd suffix because I guess it is confusing for new users? <@arthurzam> installdvd * @arthurzam hides <@mgorny> installmd <@dilfridge> installiso <@robbat2> installmedia [20:16] <@robbat2> <@ulm> yeah, we won't figure this out during the meeting :) <+Arsen> applicationusb * +Arsen retreats <@dilfridge> and we also dont have to, <@ulm> just think about a better name please <@dilfridge> this is implementation detail <@robbat2> 1. better name; 2. are there users impacted by the larger download? [20:17] <@dilfridge> 2. no, unless you have someone who is mailing 3 1/2 " floppies around <@robbat2> minimal used to be ~100MB [20:18] <@dilfridge> nowadays the locales alone are much more than that <@mgorny> even stages are much larger [20:19] <@sam_> and people expect more :) <@sam_> with this change, we now add the toolchain and such too to allow recovery I believe (or at least enough for portage --root to function) <@dilfridge> if we really want to consider minimal size things, we should think about "english only"... which not everyone will be happy about <@robbat2> there is definetly a place for more-feature packed media; just want to check if we haven't lost something important along the way <@robbat2> but this is probably a discussion better suited for releng, rather than council [20:20] <@robbat2> unless council specifically wants releng to ensure that is still good <@ulm> english only sounds like an easy way to save space [20:21] <@dilfridge> y <@dilfridge> but <@arthurzam> Which might be not that bad for those with problem size wise <@dilfridge> anyway, this is imho not such a big thing [20:22] <@robbat2> dilfridge: again, off-topic for council, but documenting how you made the "di" stuff small; for users that want to save space is probably good <@dilfridge> not so much magic involved, and it's also not really 100% optimized [20:23] <@dilfridge> main thing is to use the qcow2 stream compression <@ulm> ok, I suggest to discuss the details after the meeting <@ulm> anything else for open floor? <@ulm> seems not to be the case [20:25] <@ulm> meeting closed <@ulm> thanks everyone! <@dilfridge> thank you! <@sam_> thanks! * @dilfridge goes hang up his poster and grab a beer for the poster session *** ulm (~ulm@gentoo/developer/ulm) has set the topic for #gentoo-council: "260th meeting: 2025-04-13 19:00 UTC | https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20250413T19 | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council | https://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/decisions.pdf" <@ulm> will be one hour later by localtime in the EU [20:26]