[2025-04-13T22:00:01+03:00] <@arthurzam> meeting time
[2025-04-13T22:00:01+03:00] <@arthurzam> !proj council
[2025-04-13T22:00:05+03:00] <willikins> (council@gentoo.org) arthurzam, dilfridge, mgorny, robbat2, sam, soap, ulm
[2025-04-13T22:00:10+03:00] <@arthurzam> agenda is here: https://public-inbox.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/7ea15526-805c-4dd2-ab14-deadbfd3b115@gentoo.org/
[2025-04-13T22:00:10+03:00] <@arthurzam> roll call
[2025-04-13T22:00:10+03:00] -*- arthurzam here
[2025-04-13T22:00:12+03:00] -*- ulm here
[2025-04-13T22:00:15+03:00] -*- mgorny here
[2025-04-13T22:00:21+03:00] -*- soap here
[2025-04-13T22:00:27+03:00] -*- sam_ here
[2025-04-13T22:00:50+03:00] -*- dilfridge here
[2025-04-13T22:01:03+03:00] -*- robbat2 present
[2025-04-13T22:01:10+03:00] <@arthurzam> nice, everyone is here
[2025-04-13T22:01:21+03:00] <@arthurzam> 2. EAPI=9 changes
[2025-04-13T22:01:21+03:00] <@arthurzam> ulm, do you want to use the placeholder for the current changes in queue?
[2025-04-13T22:01:53+03:00] <@ulm> we're still discussing edo, so let's wait until next month
[2025-04-13T22:02:04+03:00] <@arthurzam> ok, sounds good to me
[2025-04-13T22:02:16+03:00] <@arthurzam> 3. Open bugs with Council participation
[2025-04-13T22:02:22+03:00] <@arthurzam> bug 936211, any updates?
[2025-04-13T22:02:23+03:00] <willikins> arthurzam: https://bugs.gentoo.org/936211 "[Tracker] Gentoo Foundation dissolution"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; ulm:trustees
[2025-04-13T22:02:35+03:00] <@robbat2> i'm concerned about the lack of SPI official treasurer updates
[2025-04-13T22:03:12+03:00] <@arthurzam> is it an issue on our side, or theirs?
[2025-04-13T22:03:12+03:00] <@robbat2> while I appreciate their engagement on the threads about donations via Benevity; that is only a very small piece of the income
[2025-04-13T22:03:16+03:00] <@robbat2> theirs
[2025-04-13T22:03:40+03:00] <@robbat2> a few months ago, I asked them about it, and got unofficial treasurer numbers specific to Gentoo
[2025-04-13T22:03:55+03:00] <@robbat2> but the main pages have still not been updated, since September
[2025-04-13T22:04:04+03:00] <@robbat2> https://www.spi-inc.org/treasurer/ bottom here
[2025-04-13T22:04:29+03:00] <@arthurzam> uhh, that is weird
[2025-04-13T22:04:35+03:00] <@robbat2> also note the reports absent in their last meeting: https://www.spi-inc.org/meetings/agendas/2025/2025-03-10/
[2025-04-13T22:04:39+03:00] <@dilfridge> :|
[2025-04-13T22:05:17+03:00] <@robbat2> their next meeting is scheduled to be tommorow; and the agenda has not been posted either
[2025-04-13T22:05:22+03:00] <@dilfridge> ok
[2025-04-13T22:05:30+03:00] <@dilfridge> should we put up a motion that
[2025-04-13T22:05:52+03:00] <@dilfridge> pending the resolution of these issues further moves of Gentoo to SPI are put on hold?
[2025-04-13T22:06:16+03:00] <@robbat2> as much as I hate that, I think we need it
[2025-04-13T22:06:23+03:00] <@arthurzam> I think this is a good motion at this point
[2025-04-13T22:06:39+03:00] <@robbat2> and we should ensure we're keeping the other stuff alive that we were trying to transition
[2025-04-13T22:06:44+03:00] <@dilfridge> something in our protocol that we can wave under their noses
[2025-04-13T22:06:47+03:00] <@sam_> yes
[2025-04-13T22:06:55+03:00] <@robbat2> next up on the tracker specifically was renewing our trademarks
[2025-04-13T22:07:02+03:00] <@robbat2> that I was trying to transfer to them
[2025-04-13T22:07:10+03:00] <@arthurzam> OK, formalizing the motion for now, you can continue writing
[2025-04-13T22:07:16+03:00] <@dilfridge> robbat2: how's the plans with getting the account signees together sometime?
[2025-04-13T22:07:25+03:00] <@dilfridge> that would make sense in either case
[2025-04-13T22:08:19+03:00] <@robbat2> we have two choices there: get existing legacy signees together to convert to a much smaller signee pool AND then do a later signing for transfers
[2025-04-13T22:08:25+03:00] <@dilfridge> ^ this
[2025-04-13T22:08:30+03:00] <@robbat2> or defer, get legacy signers together later only
[2025-04-13T22:09:47+03:00] <@arthurzam> OK, managed to write the motion, so let's vote on it, so we have smaller context later conversations:
[2025-04-13T22:10:04+03:00] <@arthurzam> Motion: Until resolution of missing official SPI treasurer updates, further moves of Gentoo to SPI are put on hold.
[2025-04-13T22:10:11+03:00] -*- arthurzam yes
[2025-04-13T22:11:02+03:00] <@robbat2> is them updating it enough; or do we need SPI to show sustained commitment?
[2025-04-13T22:11:04+03:00] -*- sam_ yes
[2025-04-13T22:11:21+03:00] <@dilfridge> sustained ocmmittment
[2025-04-13T22:11:31+03:00] -*- mgorny abstains
[2025-04-13T22:11:47+03:00] <@arthurzam> OK, can you formulate better requirement?
[2025-04-13T22:12:16+03:00] <@dilfridge> Pending resolution of the missing official SPI treasurer updates and a clear commitment to future regular financial updates, further moves of Gentoo towards SPI are put on hold.
[2025-04-13T22:12:32+03:00] <@arthurzam> ok, let's use this one instead of previous one
[2025-04-13T22:12:35+03:00] <@arthurzam> Motion: Pending resolution of the missing official SPI treasurer updates and a clear commitment to future regular financial updates, further moves of Gentoo towards SPI are put on hold.
[2025-04-13T22:12:37+03:00] -*- arthurzam yes
[2025-04-13T22:12:42+03:00] -*- sam_ yes
[2025-04-13T22:12:45+03:00] -*- dilfridge yes
[2025-04-13T22:12:47+03:00] -*- robbat2 aye
[2025-04-13T22:12:49+03:00] -*- ulm yes
[2025-04-13T22:12:52+03:00] -*- soap yes
[2025-04-13T22:12:53+03:00] -*- mgorny abstains
[2025-04-13T22:13:05+03:00] <@arthurzam> OK, that is 6 yes and 1 abstain, motion passes
[2025-04-13T22:13:46+03:00] <@arthurzam> Now back to the issue of legacy signees
[2025-04-13T22:14:31+03:00] <@arthurzam> robbat2: dilfridge: I think this needs discussion on a level of tactical and not decision, so maybe not matching council meeting time?
[2025-04-13T22:14:42+03:00] <@dilfridge> works for me
[2025-04-13T22:14:47+03:00] <@robbat2> agreed
[2025-04-13T22:14:48+03:00] <@arthurzam> I think many of us here can't really help with it.
[2025-04-13T22:14:53+03:00] <@dilfridge> I mean, I'm not really involved there anyway
[2025-04-13T22:15:25+03:00] <@arthurzam> ok, next on the agenda of open bugs
[2025-04-13T22:15:28+03:00] <@robbat2> the specific part for this group: if we had to pay for getting [3-5] people together twice; with the 2nd time being much smaller; would that be okay?
[2025-04-13T22:15:40+03:00] <@dilfridge> sure
[2025-04-13T22:15:43+03:00] <@dilfridge> imho
[2025-04-13T22:15:47+03:00] <@ulm> yes
[2025-04-13T22:15:49+03:00] <@arthurzam> I think so, it is fair
[2025-04-13T22:15:54+03:00] <@arthurzam> Should we vote on that?
[2025-04-13T22:16:00+03:00] <@arthurzam> To show commitment?
[2025-04-13T22:16:04+03:00] <@robbat2> i'll make it a motion for the next meeting
[2025-04-13T22:16:10+03:00] <@arthurzam> great
[2025-04-13T22:16:16+03:00] <@arthurzam> Now: bug 948684, bug 948686, bug 948687
[2025-04-13T22:16:17+03:00] <willikins> arthurzam: https://bugs.gentoo.org/948684 "Missing summary for 20240609 council meeting"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; CONF; ulm:dilfridge
[2025-04-13T22:16:17+03:00] <willikins> arthurzam: https://bugs.gentoo.org/948686 "Missing summary for 20241110 council meeting"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; CONF; ulm:dilfridge
[2025-04-13T22:16:18+03:00] <willikins> arthurzam: https://bugs.gentoo.org/948687 "Missing summary for 20241208, 20250112 council meetings"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; IN_P; ulm:sam
[2025-04-13T22:16:24+03:00] <@sam_> mine are done, I just didn't update the wiki page
[2025-04-13T22:16:25+03:00] <@dilfridge> and updating it soon makes sense, since we have a couple of ... ancient history ... people on the books
[2025-04-13T22:16:38+03:00] <@dilfridge> part done, rest in the works
[2025-04-13T22:16:46+03:00] <@arthurzam> sam_: please do it after meeting :)
[2025-04-13T22:17:11+03:00] <@arthurzam> dilfridge: at this point, do you want help with that? So we can be post issue already?
[2025-04-13T22:17:30+03:00] <@arthurzam> it doesn't look good as council
[2025-04-13T22:17:30+03:00] <@dilfridge> nah it just needs me sitting down at some point
[2025-04-13T22:17:56+03:00] -*- dilfridge is channeling his inner dberkholz
[2025-04-13T22:18:03+03:00] <@robbat2> is there anything we can do to make the process easier?
[2025-04-13T22:18:37+03:00] <@dilfridge> not really from me
[2025-04-13T22:18:44+03:00] <@dilfridge> but at least the logs are all there
[2025-04-13T22:18:47+03:00] <@ulm> I don't see much of a problem with the process TBH
[2025-04-13T22:19:02+03:00] <@arthurzam> I think logs is the most important one to do, since otherwise it is unknown
[2025-04-13T22:19:12+03:00] <@arthurzam> And those are done indeed
[2025-04-13T22:19:33+03:00] <@arthurzam> ulm: btw, I think I don't see 2025-03 in the wiki
[2025-04-13T22:19:45+03:00] <@dilfridge> (I also want to restart work on the TeX file at some point, but that's a "future effort")
[2025-04-13T22:20:10+03:00] <@arthurzam> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/Meeting_logs
[2025-04-13T22:20:48+03:00] <@ulm> arthurzam: I had sent it for review and pinged in IRC, didn't get any reply, and then I forgot
[2025-04-13T22:20:57+03:00] <@ulm> it's ready though
[2025-04-13T22:21:02+03:00] <@arthurzam> ulm: ok, found your email, ACK from me
[2025-04-13T22:21:29+03:00] <@ulm> will commit later today
[2025-04-13T22:21:43+03:00] <@arthurzam> I think we all understand the issue, I hope it will be handled in the coming days (dilfridge, I'm looking at you!)
[2025-04-13T22:21:54+03:00] <@dilfridge> :)
[2025-04-13T22:21:56+03:00] <@arthurzam> 4. Open floor
[2025-04-13T22:22:16+03:00] <@arthurzam> If you have something feel free to write a small dot, while you write your idea
[2025-04-13T22:24:40+03:00] <@arthurzam> let's wait another minute
[2025-04-13T22:25:05+03:00] <+NeddySeagoon> HOw long can the Foundation carry on waiting for SPI ?
[2025-04-13T22:26:15+03:00] <@dilfridge> roughly as long as Matt was treasurer, I guess
[2025-04-13T22:26:37+03:00] <@dilfridge> (but it shouldn't)
[2025-04-13T22:26:45+03:00] <+NeddySeagoon> I was thinking af costs exceeding income.
[2025-04-13T22:26:49+03:00] <@sam_> NeddySeagoon: that's really what we're discussing earlier, isn't it?
[2025-04-13T22:27:07+03:00] <@arthurzam> I think I can be at tomorrow meeting of SPI, so I'll se if I'm able to raise this point
[2025-04-13T22:27:41+03:00] <@robbat2> that was what? 4 years?
[2025-04-13T22:27:46+03:00] <@robbat2> iirc 2011-2015
[2025-04-13T22:27:49+03:00] <@robbat2> i have to check
[2025-04-13T22:27:51+03:00] <+NeddySeagoon> sam_: I didn't see timescales dincussed. When does the money run out to pay the CPI and the like?
[2025-04-13T22:28:25+03:00] <@robbat2> let's close the meeting and then keep the discussion for now
[2025-04-13T22:28:31+03:00] <+NeddySeagoon> OK
[2025-04-13T22:28:36+03:00] <@arthurzam> ok
[2025-04-13T22:28:37+03:00] <@arthurzam> meeting closed