[20:00:01] <@soap> let's start the metting
[20:00:12] <@soap> agenda: https://public-inbox.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/6115882.DvuYhMxLoT@ryzen/T/#u
[20:00:23] <@soap> 1. Roll call
[20:00:27] <@robbat2> present
[20:00:29] -*- arthurzam here
[20:00:30] -*- soap here
[20:00:31] -*- ulm here
[20:00:33] -*- sam_ here
[20:00:52] -*- mgorny here
[20:01:36] <@soap> dilf MIA
[20:01:42] -*- dionysos here
[20:01:48] <@soap> very good
[20:01:56] <@soap> 2. Open bugs with Council participation
[20:02:19] <@soap> bug 961301
[20:02:20] <willikins> soap: https://bugs.gentoo.org/961301 "[Tracker] Requests for metadata/AUTHORS"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; CONF; ulm:council
[20:02:35] <@soap> nothing new
[20:02:44] <@soap> bug 961811
[20:02:45] <willikins> soap: https://bugs.gentoo.org/961811 "Consider procuring Token2 PIN+ security keys for developers"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; CONF; tamiko:council
[20:02:55] <@soap> what's people's experience with token2?
[20:03:15] <@arthurzam> Works well, stable, feels fast
[20:03:19] <@soap> mine has been pretty good so far, but from FOSDEM I got the feeling half of the people that received one havent tested it yet :D
[20:03:37] <@ulm> works pretty well here
[20:03:41] <@sam_> I have to apologise and say I haven't set mine up yet still, I'll spend some time on it after this meeting. the problem is I don't want to artificially use it, I want to properly daily drive it with my real keys, and you know the hassle then
[20:03:41] <@mgorny> likewise
[20:04:00] <@arthurzam> (I'm away from home for weeks already, so it actually is my only way to sign stuff on my laptop)
[20:04:02] <@mgorny> (as in works well and is fast)
[20:04:09] <@ulm> usb-c version is a little fiddly when having cold hands :)
[20:04:10] <@robbat2> you have time - Token2 didn't respond to my first procurement inquiry
[20:04:55] <@soap> should we now make it an option to get every developer one like we did with the nitros?
[20:05:23] <@robbat2> we agreed to that motion in the last meeting
[20:05:38] <@soap> alrighty then
[20:06:10] <@soap> bug 965878 - your ML mail should cover any updates on the codeberg migration
[20:06:11] <@mgorny> i haven't gotten to preparing the GLEP update yet, sry
[20:06:11] <willikins> soap: https://bugs.gentoo.org/965878 "[TRACKER] Codeberg migration"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; CONF; mgorny:council
[20:06:26] <@soap> ok bug 965900 deferred then
[20:06:27] <willikins> soap: https://bugs.gentoo.org/965900 "GLEP 63: update key recommendations"; Documentation, GLEP Changes; CONF; mgorny:council
[20:06:39] <@soap> robbat2: any updates on bug 936211?
[20:06:40] <willikins> soap: https://bugs.gentoo.org/936211 "[Tracker] Gentoo Foundation dissolution"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; ulm:trustees
[20:06:45] <@robbat2>  SPI has completed their 2026 financials, our end of year https://www.spi-inc.org/treasurer/reports/202512/#index43h4 - Net $21k USD for the year, but expenses have not moved yet
[20:07:14] <@robbat2> if we ran the previous year's expenses against it; it would have been tight
[20:07:41] <@mgorny> how's moving donors progressing?
[20:07:44] <@sam_> we had a good discussion last month with a regular donor in -trustees who has moved over now
[20:07:48] <@ulm> might be good to drain the foundation's funds?
[20:08:00] <@sam_> he'd missed our emails because he wasn't expecting to receive mail on that paypal account
[20:08:14] <@robbat2> dionysos was going to help mail them; no significant change in the number of donors
[20:08:16] <@sam_> he was wondering about being able to use paypal masspay (I think that's the name)
[20:08:23] <@robbat2> but some interesting movement on the bigger donors
[20:08:35] <@dionysos> yes things are looking better now that fosdem and glibc release are over
[20:08:41] <@robbat2> not disclosing names here in public
[20:10:09] <@soap> ok, thanks for those updates
[20:10:18] <@soap> 3. Open floor
[20:10:29] <@arthurzam> I have some note
[20:10:40] <negril> bug 962281 any updates?
[20:10:41] <willikins> https://bugs.gentoo.org/962281 "Clean up consultants list"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; negril.nx+gentoo:trustees
[20:11:01] <@arthurzam> During the last month, council members where added to trustees alias
[20:11:01] <@arthurzam> (I think it is important to note it)
[20:12:10] <@soap> honestly
[20:12:17] <@soap> the list feels a bit fluffy
[20:12:35] <@soap> not sure I'd advertise the services of drobbins
[20:12:56] <negril> twice!
[20:13:02] <@soap> yup :D
[20:13:30] <@soap> half of the people on that list are fucntionally AWOL
[20:13:34] <@dionysos> department of redundancy department
[20:13:39] <@robbat2> does it still serve enough purpose to continue being present?
[20:13:47] <@sam_> let me put it this way
[20:13:53] <@robbat2> i noted that I got 1-2 emails a year for it only
[20:14:06] <@sam_> if someone came and asked for professional support, i would not feel comfortable linking to that list
[20:14:31] <@sam_> i think the idea of it is fine
[20:14:43] <@arthurzam> I'll link sam_, 99% percent of times (1% will just get lost)
[20:15:04] <@sam_> (thank you)
[20:15:04] <@dionysos> tbh you'd expect from someone you're paying to do gentoo packaging is to be an active developer
[20:15:13] <@sam_> and I'm not even on the list!
[20:15:46] <@soap> personally, I'd nix the entire page
[20:15:49] <@arthurzam> And if I ever have some heavy infra issue that warrants good money, I'll link robbat2 - I think he can solve any infra issue
[20:16:14] <+ztrawhcse> the list doesn't claim to be a list of people who can package stuff for you , just that it's a list of people who can "mange or advise or otherwise aid ur Gentoo deployments"
[20:16:23] <@sam_> I'm a bit biased in that I currently make my living off this, but on the other hand, I'm not on the list and none of the business I've received is from that list
[20:16:24] <@sam_> so..
[20:16:55] <+ztrawhcse> to be fair I'd still expect one to be an active community member in order to be recommended as an expert running a Gentoo system, even without packaging.
[20:17:02] <@soap> Motion: delete the wiki page https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Consultants without replacement
[20:17:30] <+ztrawhcse> and erm, drobbins is hardly an active community member and doesn't actually resemble modern Gentoo at all :D
[20:17:40] <@robbat2> it does have a column to say if they have a dev
[20:17:41] <@ulm> we shouldn't have motions in open floor
[20:18:05] <@soap> sorry for violating any by-laws
[20:18:06] <@dionysos> so defer to list and next months agenda
[20:18:14] -*- arthurzam no
[20:18:14] <@arthurzam> I prefer we first put it on ML for next agenda - give time for other people to ACK
[20:18:22] <@robbat2> agreed
[20:18:27] -*- dionysos abstain ftr
[20:18:30] <@arthurzam> (didn't know about no agenda on open floor)
[20:18:30] <negril> It was already part of last weeks open floor
[20:18:41] <@ulm> and put the people from that list in cc
[20:18:45] <@sam_> I think I'd have to abstain if we were going to vote, I don't really want the absence of the list to make people think we have no such options
[20:18:48] <@dionysos> then bring it up when the call for agenda items comes
[20:18:49] <@ulm> so they have a chance to comment
[20:18:52] <@sam_> but the list is clearly poor at the moment
[20:19:27] <@ulm> yes
[20:19:32] <@soap> ok, let's wait till 20 past
[20:19:43] <@arthurzam> I also think this page should be under consideration: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs
[20:19:43] <negril> dionysos: 20:48:57 <@robbat2> action-item: reach out to these; maintain on the page that last time they confirmed
[20:19:57] <@dionysos> simple replacement idea: tick mark on developer list "open for paid consulting"
[20:20:03] <@sam_> dionysos: i like it
[20:20:07] <@sam_> you solve both problems then
[20:20:16] <@sam_> you make it easy for devs to be on the list, and they're by definition active
[20:20:21] <@ulm> not everyone there is a dev though?
[20:20:50] <@sam_> they can advertise their services their own way? we're not obligated to list them, and non-devs we're generally not as in touch with
[20:20:52] <@dionysos> but the devs we can by default recommend, everyone else makes qa difficult
[20:20:56] <@sam_> yes
[20:21:23] <@robbat2> some of the devs on the list are not very active
[20:21:38] <@soap> yes, I'd agree, you'd have to be an active dev to get the privilege of advertising there
[20:21:44] <@dionysos> "[$] indicates the developer is open to paid consutant work
[20:22:06] <@mgorny> [€] if in EU
[20:22:07] -*- mgorny hides
[20:22:28] <@dionysos> £
[20:22:32] <@soap> mgorny: why no Zloty
[20:22:33] <@arthurzam> ₿
[20:22:45] -*- arthurzam really hides
[20:22:53] <@robbat2> less with the trolling ;-)
[20:23:07] <@robbat2> some of the "active" devs on the consultant lists aren't that active anyway
[20:23:17] <@soap> <@soap> half of the people on that list are fucntionally AWOL
[20:23:23] <@robbat2> punt to the mailing lists for a larger discussion
[20:23:54] <@soap> ok, anything else?
[20:23:58] <@mgorny> soap: because it has no fun symbol
[20:24:10] <@arthurzam> I'll cc council to that bug
[20:24:20] <@mgorny> [ꜷ] lol
[20:24:26] <@ulm> european trademark registration will expire in August this year
[20:24:34] <@ulm> we'll start the renewal procedure soon
[20:25:01] <@robbat2> the uploads to dilfridge's page; I need citations/labels for them please
[20:25:02] <@mgorny> should we start asking more devs to join codeberg? like, go from "if you want to try it" to "we recommend you use it"
[20:25:24] <@sam_> what do you mean by citations?
[20:25:27] <@sam_> who took the picture, or what is in them?
[20:25:39] <@sam_> i've also asked immolo to gather some info from users
[20:25:42] <@ulm> amending the git workflow wiki page for agit might be helpful?
[20:25:47] <@robbat2> what's in them; some of them I can't tell when it was taken
[20:25:47] <@dionysos> immolo uploaded them there
[20:25:52] <@robbat2> and it needs to be recent
[20:26:10] <@sam_> all of those are from this FOSDEM
[20:26:11] <@dionysos> I can add the info for my pix, and open up the comment functio
[20:26:16] <@sam_> there will be more coming from other places
[20:26:22] <@dionysos> not immolos uploads in the trademark gallery
[20:27:09] <@dionysos> the i icon on the left side opens the EXIF data
[20:27:33] <@dionysos> coment function is arelady active
[20:29:58] <@sam_> anything else?
[20:30:28] <@soap> ok, let's close it for today, thansk everyone
[20:30:34] <@arthurzam> thank you
[20:30:39] <@sam_> thanks!
[20:30:42] <@mgorny> thanks