Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:00:10 British Summer Time] !proj council [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:00:10 British Summer Time] sam_: (council@gentoo.org) arthurzam, dilfridge, mgorny, robbat2, sam, soap, ulm [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:00:11 British Summer Time] hello! [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:00:29 British Summer Time] agenda: https://public-inbox.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/87zf38ui9f.fsf@gentoo.org/ [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:00:33 British Summer Time] 1. roll call [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:00:38 British Summer Time] * dionysos here [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:00:39 British Summer Time] * soap here [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:00:39 British Summer Time] * arthurzam here [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:00:45 British Summer Time] * mgorny here [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:00:45 British Summer Time] note that I plan on waiting up to 5 minutes for arthur, given his circumstance- [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:00:48 British Summer Time] * sam_ here [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:00:48 British Summer Time] * ulm here [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:01:07 British Summer Time] I'm here [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:01:13 British Summer Time] excellent [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:01:24 British Summer Time] present [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:01:35 British Summer Time] excellent [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:01:40 British Summer Time] it's very short today [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:01:57 British Summer Time] 2. Open bugs with Council participation [1] [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:02:03 British Summer Time] https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=IN_PROGRESS&email2=council%40gentoo.org&emailassigned_to2=1&emailcc2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailtype2=substring&list_id=7678784&query_format=advanced [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:02:13 British Summer Time] bug 936211 [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:02:14 British Summer Time] sam_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/936211 "[Tracker] Gentoo Foundation dissolution"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; ulm:trustees [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:02:22 British Summer Time] any news here? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:02:32 British Summer Time] not from me sorry [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:02:41 British Summer Time] i have the destination bank account details from SPI [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:02:50 British Summer Time] and I was thinking about how banks want to close bank accounts [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:03:00 British Summer Time] and scheming how to make it easier on us [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:03:11 British Summer Time] specifically, they are happier to close empty accounts right? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:03:13 British Summer Time] you probably need the "signee meeting" then ... [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:03:38 British Summer Time] * dionysos has no clue how that works in the US [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:03:58 British Summer Time] my thinking is specifically - if they are going to auto-close on zero balance; maybe that is beneficial to us [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:04:36 British Summer Time] depends how hard transferring the balance to SPI is going to be [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:04:47 British Summer Time] dont the bank take fee for existance of an account? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:04:59 British Summer Time] if we can transfer funds easily without requiring multiple signatories [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:05:02 British Summer Time] any speculation I can give applies only to EU (de, fi, nl), so it's probably useless [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:05:12 British Summer Time] most of our accounts are zero fee [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:05:31 British Summer Time] granted under original "bank account for non-profits" deals [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:06:00 British Summer Time] right, I don't really want to speculate as it won't be useful (can only really speak for the UK), but do we know people we can ask? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:06:06 British Summer Time] I guess if in doubt, SPI and see if they have advice [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:06:16 British Summer Time] ++ [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:06:19 British Summer Time] yes, that's where I have comms with their treasurer [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:06:23 British Summer Time] also try to keep it simple [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:06:38 British Summer Time] I like the idea of autoclose if it could work out though, we should look at the bank policy though I suspect it's not published anywhere [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:06:50 British Summer Time] it's the kind of thing that having a branch you could go to used to be helpful for :/ [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:07:31 British Summer Time] no bank has ever been very helpful to *me* when closing an account [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:08:24 British Summer Time] i double-checked the ledgers, CapitalOne has not charged us fees since the netbank transfer days [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:08:26 British Summer Time] uh, don't even get me started [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:08:43 British Summer Time] like when i filed all the paperwork at the bank personally, to make sure everything went okay [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:08:51 British Summer Time] anyway; that's the plan on that side [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:08:55 British Summer Time] then they decided it's wrong but never bothered informing me that they've rejected it [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:09:09 British Summer Time] partially dependent on being able to close out the paypal [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:09:24 British Summer Time] or at least updating paypal to transfer funds to SPI instead [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:09:30 British Summer Time] that sounds like a good next step, actually [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:09:38 British Summer Time] for the remaining donors who still keep sending us money [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:09:42 British Summer Time] still a lot of activity on the paypal account [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:10:54 British Summer Time] robbat2: is it an option to keep the paypal account indefinitely? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:10:59 British Summer Time] and just transfer funds instead on pp [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:11:07 British Summer Time] because some of these donors I imagine are like that one we spoke to in -trustees [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:11:18 British Summer Time] i.e. they have some email they rarely look at to do a bunch of donations, possibly for their company [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:11:23 British Summer Time] so reaching them isn't easy at all [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:11:23 British Summer Time] 37 donors remain [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:12:46 British Summer Time] $480/mo before paypal fees [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:13:03 British Summer Time] how likely is it they'd notice if we closed the account / started rejecting / returning donations? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:13:06 British Summer Time] any other questions about dissollution? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:13:11 British Summer Time] they probably wouldn't notice [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:13:35 British Summer Time] nothing else from me [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:13:39 British Summer Time] now that the trade marks are all set, should we start the process to reansfer them to SPI? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:13:49 British Summer Time] Mode ChanServ sets mode: +v billie [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:13:53 British Summer Time] ah, yes, we should note for the record that our trademark renewal is done [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:13:57 British Summer Time] *transfer [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:14:09 British Summer Time] both the eV one and the US one [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:14:10 British Summer Time] i did update the tracker on the trademarks already [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:14:17 British Summer Time] yeah, I'm just noting it here for the meeting summary [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:14:45 British Summer Time] EUIPO is good till 2036 [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:15:57 British Summer Time] next bug then [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:16:03 British Summer Time] what about transfer? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:16:48 British Summer Time] will see about paperwork; i don't expect that to be a hassle at all [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:16:56 British Summer Time] ok [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:16:59 British Summer Time] bug 961301 [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:17:00 British Summer Time] sam_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/961301 "[Tracker] Requests for metadata/AUTHORS"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; CONF; ulm:council [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:17:01 British Summer Time] nothing to do here, no new requests [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:17:04 British Summer Time] bug 965878 [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:17:06 British Summer Time] sam_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/965878 "[TRACKER] Codeberg migration"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; CONF; mgorny:council [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:17:10 British Summer Time] this is going well, and I'd say we could even close it now [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:17:40 British Summer Time] bug 962281 [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:17:41 British Summer Time] sam_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/962281 "Clean up consultants list"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; negril.nx+gentoo:council [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:17:46 British Summer Time] Do we want a tracker of codeberg features we want to improve handling for us? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:17:51 British Summer Time] I think we were going to have an ML discussion on that, and I think I volunteered negril for it [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:18:02 British Summer Time] arthurzam: honestly I think we're pretty happy, aren't we? but a tracker is not a bad idea if you have ideas [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:18:17 British Summer Time] good plan [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:18:22 British Summer Time] sam_: sub projects inside our project, better merges header, ... [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:18:58 British Summer Time] we can file one if it'd be useful, sure [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:19:08 British Summer Time] it'd be useful to track which ones have codeberg feature requests yet and which don't [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:19:13 British Summer Time] can you look at that? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:19:17 British Summer Time] (no hurry) [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:19:22 British Summer Time] ok [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:19:28 British Summer Time] I'll do it [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:19:30 British Summer Time] thanks [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:19:34 British Summer Time] laumann: ztrawhcse; ^ [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:19:36 British Summer Time] [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:19:37 British Summer Time] bug 965900 [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:19:38 British Summer Time] sam_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/965900 "GLEP 63: update key recommendations"; Documentation, GLEP Changes; CONF; mgorny:council [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:19:48 British Summer Time] I don't remember where this has left off [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:19:56 British Summer Time] oh, it's stuck on token2? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:20:09 British Summer Time] which is bug 961811 [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:20:10 British Summer Time] sam_: https://bugs.gentoo.org/961811 "Consider procuring Token2 PIN+ security keys for developers"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; CONF; tamiko:council [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:20:15 British Summer Time] i think it's updated already [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:20:17 British Summer Time] who was it that had another line of comms to token2? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:20:20 British Summer Time] i mean, sufficiently [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:20:25 British Summer Time] they haven't returned my email [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:20:34 British Summer Time] robbat2: it might've been soap who was offering to try [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:21:04 British Summer Time] I do have the card and biometric one, so unless you want to buy me more :D I'm good [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:21:50 British Summer Time] the webpage has the official way to reach them as support@ which hasn't gotten a response twice now [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:22:03 British Summer Time] soap: but you have no in with them, right [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:22:07 British Summer Time] no contact in mind [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:22:12 British Summer Time] nope [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:22:28 British Summer Time] maybe we can try on fedi if they're active there [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:22:41 British Summer Time] .. or we can get you to call them? :D [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:23:00 British Summer Time] .. one swiss to another swiss .. [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:23:10 British Summer Time] il faut converser avec eux en francais? :) [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:23:40 British Summer Time] le yodel franco-suisse? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:23:53 British Summer Time] I can take a look at missing codeberg features. a couple of them, like better support for Merges: do most certainly have existing forgejo feature requests :) [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:24:18 British Summer Time] soap: not trying to lump you with it, just support@ isn't answering robin [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:24:27 British Summer Time] +1 on somebody reaching them via another means [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:24:31 British Summer Time] so if you could call and say we're interested but not hearing back, could they try get in contact or something, would help [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:24:37 British Summer Time] do we want bgo tracking tickets for outstanding things we want to see on codeberg? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:24:38 British Summer Time] i'll try fedi as well [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:24:40 British Summer Time] I'll try to call them [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:24:42 British Summer Time] thanks [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:24:48 British Summer Time] ztrawhcse: yes i think so [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:24:52 British Summer Time] ztrawhcse: please send me an email with links to upstream issue you know, thank you [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:24:53 British Summer Time] the most likely reason I can see is that they are dropping our email so not even seeing it [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:24:56 British Summer Time] ok [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:25:06 British Summer Time] 3. open floor [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:25:16 British Summer Time] I have something to bring up, will write it now [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:25:25 British Summer Time] arthurzam: I think the idea is to create bgo tickets for each thing we want, and then link upstream in "See also" if they already have an issue [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:25:43 British Summer Time] token2 are using Microsoft Outlook for their corporate email, which i have absolutely seen silent drops from [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:25:53 British Summer Time] ztrawhcse: you are correct, but for now just sending me links will be a good start, but if you want the beaurocracy handling, I'll be also happy [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:26:10 British Summer Time] we've had a donor opportunity but it's been a little complicated back-and-forth; dionysos has a proposal for a new email to send them. I don't want to go into more detail publicly but let's discuss more in -council-private post-meeting please to see about moving forward [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:26:13 British Summer Time] if I may be nosy about PayPal -- are there fees to just have the account open, or do they simply take a percentage off of any donations we get? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:26:30 British Summer Time] ztrawhcse: per-transaction fees only [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:26:34 British Summer Time] what's the downside of removing all links to PayPal but letting the last couple people use it forever [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:26:51 British Summer Time] we have removed all the links already as far as I know [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:26:57 British Summer Time] (if we can't notify them to switch, it's basically free money to leave it open, right?) [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:27:13 British Summer Time] s/donor opportunity/significant donor opportunity/ [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:27:21 British Summer Time] the complexity is how it's tied to the IRS org AND David Abbott [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:27:29 British Summer Time] we want to dissolve the org [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:27:43 British Summer Time] and David wants to be off the account; which is very reasonable [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:27:57 British Summer Time] blargh, okay :) [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:28:10 British Summer Time] ztrawhcse: one blip is [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:28:33 British Summer Time] we had a regular donor on behalf of his company who only realised like.. 2 months ago that he needed to change [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:28:38 British Summer Time] and he's fairly engaged with gentoo [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:28:45 British Summer Time] so you have to wonder how we can reach these others :/ [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:28:52 British Summer Time] we've emailed all of them already I believe? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:29:00 British Summer Time] yes; multiple times [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:29:31 British Summer Time] sam_: agreed re significant donor [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:29:44 British Summer Time] for the one I had in mind, we could probably have worked it out from the email, but there's a lot of clearly personal donations as well [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:29:54 British Summer Time] robbat2: thx [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:30:04 British Summer Time] i odn't know if paypal has some way to send a message, maybe? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:30:22 British Summer Time] otherwise maybe we just have to write it off at some point, which feels very unfortunate [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:30:27 British Summer Time] and hope they notice at some point [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:30:55 British Summer Time] robbat2: do you have some CSV or otherwise a list of these recurring paypal donations left? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:31:06 British Summer Time] I can skim it and see if I can recognise any of the names and reach out via other means [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:31:10 British Summer Time] yes; i can provide that list of names+emails [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:31:13 British Summer Time] there may be none who I can do that for, but it's worth a look [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:31:25 British Summer Time] ok, let's leave that there [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:31:27 British Summer Time] anything else? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:31:49 British Summer Time] I’m not sure if this information is relevant (or even wanted), but as this is a small community, I’ll start here: As of today, the (new) Gentoo Forum also has a Q&A section, just like our Gentoo Wiki, which appears when you register. (It’s currently in a trial phase; if it goes well, it’ll stay that way.) [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:32:15 British Summer Time] i've been sort of hoping we could promote or encourage use of the forums more now that they're modern :) [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:32:25 British Summer Time] i was a little ashamed of them before [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:32:27 British Summer Time] :) [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:32:44 British Summer Time] sam_: We had massive problems with new spam users [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:34:07 British Summer Time] ok, anything else? [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:34:19 British Summer Time] if not we'll end it here and then carry on in -private for that matter I mentioned [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:35:07 British Summer Time] advertise that they aren't discourse! [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:35:16 British Summer Time] hehe [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:35:18 British Summer Time] :lol: [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:35:22 British Summer Time] ok [Sunday, 12 April 2026] [20:35:24 British Summer Time] * sam_ bangs gavel