Jan 17 14:00:56 We have a quorum ... lets start Jan 17 14:01:14 Meeting is being logged, and robbat2 is posting. I'm logging too Jan 17 14:01:38 3. Old Business ... we will come back to tsunam stuff Jan 17 14:01:59 quantumsummers ... SFLC Update Jan 17 14:02:39 1. I am working on a tentative budget for the Foundation based on a $20,000 USD annual income Jan 17 14:03:18 2. I am collecting letters of support from the community, so far I have 1 from D'Youville College, I should see one from MIT this week or next Jan 17 14:03:22 ok, lets see if we can't boost that in years to come - we have never done any active fundraising Jan 17 14:03:53 indeed, I think we will have good luck there Jan 17 14:04:19 lets see ... Jan 17 14:04:41 I need to notify the community (dev & user) to get more letters of support Jan 17 14:04:56 * quantumsummers will add that to the list, if its ok with the board Jan 17 14:04:58 ok Jan 17 14:05:08 at this point I have been soliciting personally Jan 17 14:05:41 3. Once the budget is complete, and I have a few more letters I think we are good to go Jan 17 14:05:51 as in submit the application Jan 17 14:06:02 I'll be talking with Karen next week Jan 17 14:06:07 must the letters be from orgs/users within the US? Jan 17 14:06:11 no Jan 17 14:06:25 we want US entities, but others are most wecome Jan 17 14:06:30 *welcome Jan 17 14:06:35 I'm happy with an email to -nfp and -dev-announce but at them moment, not -foundation-announce Jan 17 14:06:47 and by entities, companies or edu/nfp? Jan 17 14:06:51 it will favor us to demonstrate the international nature of the work Jan 17 14:07:01 robbat2: any org Jan 17 14:07:15 companies, Unis, ngo,nfp Jan 17 14:07:16 ok, I can write some of the infra sponsors and some other former contacts Jan 17 14:07:25 robbat2: that would be wonderful Jan 17 14:07:38 please CC me if you don't mind Jan 17 14:07:50 or CC trustees Jan 17 14:08:03 sure Jan 17 14:08:04 that is all on sflc & 501c3 Jan 17 14:08:31 next item Certified Public Accountant (Quotes) ... still quantumsummers Jan 17 14:08:36 I think it would be good to have the draft to the board by the beginning of Feb for review Jan 17 14:08:46 for comments that is Jan 17 14:08:54 quantumsummers, thats only two weeks Jan 17 14:09:17 yes, its just the normal stuff, the budget, narrative Jan 17 14:09:31 the letters, we can take some time on Jan 17 14:09:33 ok - if you are happy with that target Jan 17 14:09:46 I would really like to see the app submitted before March 31 Jan 17 14:10:20 yeah - there could be a board shuffle in early April Jan 17 14:10:32 ok, CPA: for some reason I have not received anything from either my local CPA or the CPA sflc recommended. I will follow up on Monday. My request may have been lost in the tax-prep shuffle Jan 17 14:10:44 ok Jan 17 14:10:48 sorry, I have so little there Jan 17 14:11:08 * bonsaikitten has quit (Excess Flood) Jan 17 14:11:10 Robert Buchholz - Gentoo Developer Certificate Jan 17 14:11:18 Printed & ready to send Jan 17 14:11:33 quantumsummers, he was only wanting a PDF file Jan 17 14:11:34 I can do that early this week (send it) Jan 17 14:11:40 oh, really Jan 17 14:11:51 heh, ok, I will email it to him then. Jan 17 14:12:28 send the cert snail mail too, it will be nice to look back on in years to come Jan 17 14:12:49 sure, since I have it already. I think I'll need his addy. I can ask for that when I email the cert Jan 17 14:13:02 yep Jan 17 14:13:07 ok. Jan 17 14:13:09 next item Notify New Foundation Members - quantumsummers Jan 17 14:13:32 Added to my list. Given that we have a new applicant this meeting, I will do it all in one go later today Jan 17 14:13:34 * NeddySeagoon likes dabbotts new agend layout Jan 17 14:13:42 * quantumsummers does to Jan 17 14:13:43 ok Jan 17 14:14:01 its not in the agenda Jan 17 14:14:13 but the KM is up, so let me know if you have questions Jan 17 14:14:14 Next item - Rotating Sidebar - robbat2 Jan 17 14:14:39 quantumsummers, heh - I broke it by living in Scotland Jan 17 14:14:47 no breakage, that is my fault Jan 17 14:14:48 no news on it yet, i've been setting up some new infra boxes where it will live, just got access to them this past friday Jan 17 14:14:58 motmot & magpie.g.o, hosted at VR.org Jan 17 14:15:02 robbat2: have you audited the code? Jan 17 14:15:06 partially Jan 17 14:15:12 any thoughts? Jan 17 14:15:22 looks like it should work great Jan 17 14:15:30 also, if you want some pointers on deployment, I can assist Jan 17 14:15:35 and I want 48 hour days Jan 17 14:15:35 We have the go ahead from our members Jan 17 14:15:39 we have an ebuild tempalte for stuff like that Jan 17 14:16:16 * quantumsummers feels robbat2's pain on that Jan 17 14:16:35 20 hour days for the past couple of weeks fo rme Jan 17 14:16:37 any more on the sidebar ? Jan 17 14:16:38 we need at least 2 robbat2 Jan 17 14:16:43 lol Jan 17 14:16:54 * tcunha has quit ("Lost terminal") Jan 17 14:17:03 yeah, where is robbat1? Jan 17 14:17:04 nothing else on the sidebar at this time. i'm hoping to launch it by feb 3rd Jan 17 14:17:10 nice Jan 17 14:17:14 but i'm going to FOSDEM, so it might hold off till I return Jan 17 14:17:21 we could have 2 robbat1 *g* Jan 17 14:17:27 * tcunha (n=tiago@gentoo/developer/tcunha) has joined #gentoo-trustees Jan 17 14:17:42 robbat2, I wish I was going to FOSDEM ... next year maybe Jan 17 14:17:52 * quantumsummers might try for next year too Jan 17 14:18:00 sounds like a ton of fun Jan 17 14:18:23 next item Emails Received & Status - dabbott Jan 17 14:18:45 dabbott: I have the email you are missing Jan 17 14:18:52 I just have been attempting to keep track of emails received Jan 17 14:19:08 http://dpaste.com/146541/ Jan 17 14:19:13 and the status Jan 17 14:19:20 dabbott: if you want, we can put that in the KM Jan 17 14:19:30 that would be great Jan 17 14:19:52 quantumsummers, we need all the old emails there too. Jan 17 14:20:04 most of the emails are for advertising requests Jan 17 14:20:12 NeddySeagoon: I will see about that soon. Jan 17 14:20:17 quantumsummers, ok Jan 17 14:20:44 * Arfrever has quit ("Exre (KVIrc 4)") Jan 17 14:20:53 dabbott, any more on emails ? Jan 17 14:21:03 no thats it Jan 17 14:21:19 next item CD/DVD Policy & Guidelines - dabbott Jan 17 14:21:52 dabbott, thats a good page you put up. It needs to link to the guidelines page Jan 17 14:22:21 looking for comments suggestions that is just on my dev space for now Jan 17 14:22:56 dabbott, I'm going blind - the link to the guidelines is there Jan 17 14:23:03 dabbott: I might change the Definition of Gentoo Project to say: is supported by the Gentoo Foundation ( as opposed to directed) Jan 17 14:23:21 once approved I can move it Jan 17 14:23:24 that could be a bit touchy Jan 17 14:23:38 quantumsummers, heh Jan 17 14:24:02 just saying Jan 17 14:24:10 :) Jan 17 14:24:11 any more changes? Jan 17 14:24:34 we can't say we're not-for-profit yet Jan 17 14:24:45 well maybe we can Jan 17 14:24:50 I'll ask Karen Jan 17 14:25:01 quantumsummers, we have been saying it for years ... why stop now ? Jan 17 14:25:09 good point Jan 17 14:25:30 I just copied it from some other document :) Jan 17 14:25:43 ok, looks generally good to me Jan 17 14:25:50 * NeddySeagoon proposes that the page be commited to foundation space with the one change above Jan 17 14:25:52 quantumsummers, ask Karen Jan 17 14:26:08 * quantumsummers seconds the proposal from NeddySeagoon Jan 17 14:26:09 +1 Jan 17 14:26:14 +1 Jan 17 14:26:17 +1 Jan 17 14:26:18 +1 Jan 17 14:26:21 & done Jan 17 14:26:26 carried Jan 17 14:26:58 next Donation and Vendor Advertising Policy and Guidelines - NeddySeagoon Jan 17 14:27:01 ok so its s/directed/supported Jan 17 14:27:10 quantumsummers, yes Jan 17 14:27:20 please continue sir Jan 17 14:27:42 quantumsummers, I was afraid you would say that Jan 17 14:28:19 this policy could be a tad large for one person Jan 17 14:28:44 I can ask Karen to assist, might be good to have a lawyer looking over things like this Jan 17 14:28:48 I've been slacking, so I've done nothing :( Now we have the vote re large users from our members I really need to do something Jan 17 14:29:27 quantumsummers, a policy should be a small document. The detail for implementing it might be large Jan 17 14:30:09 <0.02> we need to be really careful here. I have been following some discussion on this on a mail list that some of the large foss folks are on. I am concerned people feel that we are selling advertising Jan 17 14:30:17 I will email some ideas to trustees@ by the end of January Jan 17 14:30:36 ok, sounds good Jan 17 14:30:58 NeddySeagoon: didi you see the research I had done on other models? Jan 17 14:31:01 Who is <0.02> ? Jan 17 14:31:03 quantumsummers, re that, for each of the infra sponsors, i've tried to have some text as to what they do with Gentoo on the sponsors page Jan 17 14:31:08 2 cents tag Jan 17 14:31:08 quantumsummers, yes Jan 17 14:31:36 robbat2: yes, we need things like that so as not to appear that we are "selling out" Jan 17 14:31:59 quantumsummers, yes - agreed - I don't want it to be perceived as selling advertising Jan 17 14:32:21 I was surprised by some responses. It seems a sematic difference not one of substance Jan 17 14:32:35 anyhow, its all on phrasing Jan 17 14:32:42 *in phrasing Jan 17 14:32:58 we need more PR peeps Jan 17 14:33:15 Not to get bogged down - I would like large users to put something on our site as to how large and in what capacity they use gentoo Jan 17 14:33:37 put that in your policy notes Jan 17 14:33:47 before they get sidebar space Jan 17 14:33:52 exactly Jan 17 14:33:54 we can discuss things on the KM so we have it for posterity Jan 17 14:34:03 quantumsummers, yep Jan 17 14:34:28 Moving on Special Member Voting - Ads On The Sidebar Jan 17 14:35:02 are we still waiting on jmbsvicetto for the official results? Jan 17 14:35:07 seemed like an election in Florida Jan 17 14:36:07 The official result was 46 votes in favour vs 6 votes against Jan 17 14:36:13 ok, good Jan 17 14:37:12 from Gentoo Foundation Referendum 2009-01 - Results 2010.01.12 02:17 by jmbsvicetto AT gentoo.org> Jan 17 14:37:31 Once we have the policy in place, we can draft a news item & get the ball rolling, eh? Jan 17 14:37:38 yep Jan 17 14:37:56 Agenda item 4 Open Bugs Jan 17 14:38:33 #284224 Jan 17 14:38:49 quantumsummers / NeddySeagoon: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev-announce/msg_df4b02f3c8b25dd3e4e5aa19a45633be.xml - if you want a link to the official mail Jan 17 14:38:58 Willikins, bug 284224 Jan 17 14:39:02 robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/284224 "Summer of Code changes in reimbursement"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; dberkholz@g.o:trustees@g.o Jan 17 14:39:04 jmbsvicetto, thanks Jan 17 14:39:09 jmbsvicetto: we got it, my bad on poking you. Thanks!!! Jan 17 14:39:20 thanks robbat2 Jan 17 14:39:56 it appears we are waiting for Google at this time on that bug. Carry it over to next meeting Jan 17 14:40:55 Willikins, bug 288626 Jan 17 14:40:57 NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/288626 "[Gentoo 10 Live DVD] Vendor List"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; ASSI; dabbott@g.o:trustees@g.o Jan 17 14:41:42 If we need DVD's Jason from stormfront said he would do them 10% over cost Jan 17 14:41:47 I'm not keen on a printed handbook - it will be out of date as soon as its printed Jan 17 14:41:53 I agree Jan 17 14:42:27 dabbott, sounds good. Jan 17 14:43:19 We should make a point of doing DVD giveaways for any gatherings where we have a stand - and T-shirts for people manning the stand. Jan 17 14:43:30 I like the sound of that Jan 17 14:43:59 likewhoa should be getting 10.2 done soon ready for testing Jan 17 14:44:06 Like its auto approved ... without going through the normal application process Jan 17 14:44:07 Nice! Jan 17 14:44:29 the only thing with the tshirts is cost. Jan 17 14:44:41 There are only a few things a year like that Jan 17 14:44:57 true, but they are ~$25 Jan 17 14:45:03 quantumsummers, its a professional touch on the stand Jan 17 14:45:04 which is nuts Jan 17 14:45:24 I agree we should have tshirts, however I think we can get a better deal. Jan 17 14:45:29 with past events of Gentoo i've been to. it's all been that one person gets the shirts and we each just paid them back for however many shirts we pre-ordered Jan 17 14:45:42 quantumsummers, how many people do we have manning stands ? Jan 17 14:45:45 there were 3 generations of shirts i've seen Jan 17 14:46:06 NeddySeagoon: I am not sure Jan 17 14:46:14 vapier's golf shirts, german conspiracy's branded mid-length sleeve t-shirts, and then their plain gentoo t's Jan 17 14:46:25 lets park it for now ... Jan 17 14:46:30 I am comfortable going ahead for the short term Jan 17 14:46:36 the german conspiracy had dev names on the back, maybe find out their costs for those? Jan 17 14:46:49 though at some point we need to reconsider IMO Jan 17 14:47:25 robbat2: sounds good Jan 17 14:47:37 anyway - we are wandering off the agenda Jan 17 14:48:00 Willikins, bug 296492 Jan 17 14:48:02 NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296492 ""Agenda" links are wrong"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; tove@g.o:trustees@g.o Jan 17 14:48:27 the links are fixed Jan 17 14:48:27 can we close this bug ? Jan 17 14:48:29 I like what robbat2 suggests here Jan 17 14:48:38 me too Jan 17 14:48:49 i need to do it then Jan 17 14:48:59 yes please :) Jan 17 14:49:15 robbat2, we'll keep this bug open then Jan 17 14:49:51 Willikins, bug 296766 Jan 17 14:49:52 NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o Jan 17 14:50:33 tsunam: please let us know what is up with this item. There is no change here http://www.nmprc.state.nm.us/cgi-bin/prcdtl.cgi?2463313+GENTOO+FOUNDATION+INC// Jan 17 14:50:40 lets hold this over until April, in case there are more changes in directors Jan 17 14:50:44 ok Jan 17 14:50:55 I thought he submitted the forms already Jan 17 14:51:03 Although, thats fmccors address ... Jan 17 14:51:17 it needs to be changed Jan 17 14:52:11 yes - but does it need to be done before April ? Jan 17 14:52:25 not likely. Jan 17 14:52:53 Willikins, bug 296878 Jan 17 14:52:55 NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296878 "LWN.net group subscription"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; tove@g.o:trustees@g.o Jan 17 14:54:01 What is LWN.net and how would funding subscriptions fit into the foundations stated purpose ? Jan 17 14:54:32 linux weekly news Jan 17 14:54:37 http://lwn.net/ Jan 17 14:56:21 how would funding subscriptions fit into the foundations stated purpose ? Jan 17 14:57:44 hmm, difficult to say. I do know that sec vulns are published there, but I have not used lwn much Jan 17 14:58:05 I vote no, as I don't see news like this helping FOSS Jan 17 14:58:41 a no from me as well, per my comment on the bug Jan 17 14:59:01 dabbott, quantumsummers a vote please Jan 17 14:59:03 * quantumsummers votes no Jan 17 14:59:29 no Jan 17 15:00:04 bug defeated - the foundation will not fund subscriptions Jan 17 15:00:12 brb Jan 17 15:03:51 Agenda Item 5 New Business - we need to skip this as tsunam isn't here Jan 17 15:04:07 Item 6 Membership Applications Jan 17 15:04:26 we can do the Trusrees part Jan 17 15:04:28 Gentoo Developers ... Jan 17 15:04:40 *Trustees Jan 17 15:04:47 reload the page NeddySeagoon Jan 17 15:05:05 quantumsummers, thanks Jan 17 15:05:11 dabbott, thanks Jan 17 15:05:32 yw, just reminders Jan 17 15:05:33 * bonsaikitten (n=quassel@gentoo/developer/bonsaikitten) has joined #gentoo-trustees Jan 17 15:05:34 Trustees Jan 17 15:06:43 We need to set a recording date for the Election - thats the cut off for setting the voters list. I propose 31 Jan 2010 as thats a Sunday and just before nomination open Jan 17 15:07:10 everything else on the agenda is as usual Jan 17 15:07:27 I second the proposal from NeddySeagoon Jan 17 15:07:42 +1 Jan 17 15:07:47 +1 Jan 17 15:07:47 +1 Jan 17 15:07:56 robbat2, ? Jan 17 15:07:58 +1 Jan 17 15:08:42 carried. I'll speak to elections to get something set up and put out an email to canvass new members. Jan 17 15:09:32 We might need a special meeting on 31 jan - can everyone do that - just to consider new member applications. We and do it byu email if possible Jan 17 15:09:46 I can Jan 17 15:09:53 ok by me Jan 17 15:10:10 +1 Jan 17 15:10:15 ok 19:00 on 31 Jan if needed Jan 17 15:10:22 ok. Jan 17 15:10:29 Gentoo Store Financial Report ... needs tsunam Jan 17 15:10:49 Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications Jan 17 15:11:48 Gentoo Developers Jan 17 15:11:56 All in favour Jan 17 15:11:58 +1 Jan 17 15:11:59 yes Jan 17 15:12:02 aye Jan 17 15:12:09 +1 Jan 17 15:12:15 carried Jan 17 15:12:17 added to list going out today Jan 17 15:12:29 quantumsummers, please add them to the list to be notified Jan 17 15:12:41 done Jan 17 15:12:54 Item 7 Date of Next Meeting 21th Feb 2010 19:00 UTC Jan 17 15:13:10 ok here Jan 17 15:13:13 works for me Jan 17 15:13:14 ok Jan 17 15:13:33 robbat2, ? Jan 17 15:13:42 good to keep it away from the girl holiday Jan 17 15:13:49 +1 Jan 17 15:13:56 girl holiday ? Jan 17 15:14:04 Valentine's Day Jan 17 15:14:08 hehe Jan 17 15:14:16 my wife would killl me Jan 17 15:14:23 Item 7 Any other business ... Jan 17 15:14:26 yes that was kill with 3 ls Jan 17 15:14:29 quantumsummers, ? Jan 17 15:14:57 no AOB from me other than iCoalesce: use it lemme know if you have questions/problems Jan 17 15:15:03 ok Jan 17 15:15:07 dabbott, ? Jan 17 15:15:31 no, just if quantumsummers could look into the email storage options Jan 17 15:15:40 * quantumsummers will do it Jan 17 15:15:43 robbat2, Jan 17 15:15:57 none from me at this time Jan 17 15:16:15 none from me Jan 17 15:16:29 Item 9 Open Floor Jan 17 15:16:29 we did this meeting in record time :D Jan 17 15:16:58 * quantumsummers will brb Jan 17 15:17:56 * NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed