Jul 18 15:00:51 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to call the meeting to order ... roll call Jul 18 15:01:11 here Jul 18 15:01:15 <_robbat2|irssi> on an htc dream, in a noisy coffeeshop in ottawa :-) Jul 18 15:01:22 here Jul 18 15:01:39 quantumsummers_, ? Jul 18 15:01:54 <_robbat2|irssi> dns seems borked badly, so i've got ssh, but no web access Jul 18 15:02:04 Lets start - we have a quorum Jul 18 15:02:08 _robbat2|irssi: its something Jul 18 15:02:30 my logger isn't here, so I'm not logging today Jul 18 15:02:42 mine is Jul 18 15:02:55 tsunam, can you post the log then please Jul 18 15:02:57 I should be also Jul 18 15:03:12 if dabbott needs it I'll forward it to the alias Jul 18 15:03:23 <_robbat2|irssi> fyi, i have to leave in 45mins to get my flight Jul 18 15:03:28 Item 3 tsunam ... Treasuers Report Jul 18 15:03:50 I'd posted it to the group, roy you had some concern's but I didn't really hear anything else from anyone Jul 18 15:04:08 this was similar to last years report if I recall Jul 18 15:04:20 I put it here http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/2010-treasurer-report.xml Jul 18 15:05:15 tsunam, probably because I'm English and expected to see a balance sheet but if everyone else is happy, I'm happy too Jul 18 15:06:03 <_robbat2|irssi> i can't check the link atm, so i'll go w/ the majority Jul 18 15:06:20 motion to accept Jul 18 15:06:31 * NeddySeagoon waits for someone to propose a motion to adopt the treasuers report Jul 18 15:06:37 seconded Jul 18 15:06:42 aye Jul 18 15:06:47 aye Jul 18 15:06:56 yes Jul 18 15:07:04 <_robbat2|irssi> aye per majority Jul 18 15:07:11 motion carried Jul 18 15:07:19 thanks tsunam Jul 18 15:07:39 tsunam, Cafepress Revenue Jul 18 15:08:10 I've changed the cafepress stuff to send checks to me now, however I need to contact cafepress about previous checks that went to grant Jul 18 15:08:12 dabbott, Good link. I get the .co.uk site, so I may buy stuff there Jul 18 15:08:31 tsunam, maybe contact grant too Jul 18 15:08:40 I should Jul 18 15:08:44 and will do that Jul 18 15:09:00 thanks Jul 18 15:09:02 currently the checks (only real option) will come to my address that I'll then deposit Jul 18 15:09:41 tsunam, on the subject of money, what happened to our credit/debit card application ? Jul 18 15:10:24 It was declined. Related to "amount of debt" to me at the time of the application. Doesn't matter that it was immediately paid off (when I bought the servers and a few other things) Jul 18 15:10:32 at least that's the way it appeared Jul 18 15:10:41 I've not reapplied Jul 18 15:10:44 tsunam, ok, thanks Jul 18 15:10:49 tsunam, Updating Registration in NM Jul 18 15:11:10 annual report is due, I'll be working with quantumsummers_ this week to get it sent off Jul 18 15:11:20 there's the standard 10 dollar us charge for the filing Jul 18 15:11:36 that will fix our registration too ? Jul 18 15:11:39 yes Jul 18 15:11:53 bargin! all for $10 Jul 18 15:12:19 especially as its due by the end of the month :) Jul 18 15:12:24 quantumsummers isn't here, we will come back to his bit if he shows up Jul 18 15:12:53 _robbat2|irssi, Rotating Sidebar Jul 18 15:13:40 <_robbat2|irssi> it's done and live Jul 18 15:14:13 nice :) Jul 18 15:14:16 :) works great, have you had many comments ? Jul 18 15:14:21 _robbat2|irssi, thanks - I'll need to look more closely Jul 18 15:14:48 Request to use Gentoo tango icon ... Jul 18 15:14:58 <_robbat2|irssi> none, just some sponsor's promosing me new/updated ads Jul 18 15:15:20 <_robbat2|irssi> the integration is practically seamless Jul 18 15:15:49 Pacho Ramos ... Jul 18 15:15:49 ICON I would like to find a way to give our blessings I think it is included in x11-themes/gnome-colors-themes-5.5.1 Jul 18 15:16:25 <_robbat2|irssi> i don't see any problems w/ it Jul 18 15:16:33 We should be able to use a CC licence Jul 18 15:16:41 <_robbat2|irssi> what license is that pkg under? Jul 18 15:16:52 i believe that was the issue Jul 18 15:17:33 LICENSE="GPL-2 public-domain" Jul 18 15:17:37 CC attribution, no derivative works should work to protect our interests Jul 18 15:18:02 hmm Jul 18 15:18:11 <_robbat2|irssi> ah the no deriv works bites here Jul 18 15:18:28 yeah Jul 18 15:18:37 <_robbat2|irssi> as icons are exactly that Jul 18 15:18:41 weirdedout, we can't have derivitive works including our mark Jul 18 15:19:32 we allow the icon set ... thats fine but not further derivatives Jul 18 15:20:16 the derivatives would be hard to track honestly :/ Jul 18 15:20:59 Any licence is hard to track ... we cannot put our trademark in the public domain Jul 18 15:21:06 *nods* Jul 18 15:21:13 unless ... Jul 18 15:21:32 Can we public domain images below a certain size ? Jul 18 15:21:35 <_robbat2|irssi> i have an idea too.. Jul 18 15:21:44 NeddySeagoon: that's too much of a gray area Jul 18 15:21:49 <_robbat2|irssi> CCPL-Sampling license Jul 18 15:22:01 _robbat2|irssi, what that ? Jul 18 15:22:04 _robbat2|irssi: ccpl- sampling? Jul 18 15:22:11 i'm not familar with that license Jul 18 15:22:42 <_robbat2|irssi> blocks commercial derivatives, while allowing others as long as they are strongly transformative Jul 18 15:23:07 hmm interesting Jul 18 15:23:09 <_robbat2|irssi> It's one of the lesser known CC licenses Jul 18 15:23:20 Lets take it to the list, _robbat2|irssi only has a tiny keyboard ... sounds promising Jul 18 15:23:31 I'd like to read over that license before voting for such Jul 18 15:23:37 me too Jul 18 15:23:45 Next item Jul 18 15:23:48 <_robbat2|irssi> yup, maybe get more input too Jul 18 15:23:52 <_robbat2|irssi> onelast bit Jul 18 15:23:59 [Tango-artists] Request for an icon Jul 18 15:24:25 ^ same item Jul 18 15:24:27 <_robbat2|irssi> if we have a list of our license constraints, i can ask a friend that works for CC org Jul 18 15:24:42 _robbat2|irssi, sounds good Jul 18 15:24:48 <_robbat2|irssi> /item Jul 18 15:25:01 Trustee Bugs Jul 18 15:25:18 !bug 33740 Jul 18 15:25:20 NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/33740 "Reply address and fax-phone number missing"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Forums; ASSI; bugs-gentoo@kotiaho.net:trustees@g.o Jul 18 15:25:37 <_robbat2|irssi> was pending legal input Jul 18 15:25:49 Nothing will happen until the forums are upgraded anyway Jul 18 15:25:53 *nods* Jul 18 15:26:06 !bug 208353 Jul 18 15:26:08 NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/208353 "retire: Grant Goodyear (g2boojum)"; Gentoo Developers/Staff, Retirement; NEW; g2boojum@g.o:retirement@g.o Jul 18 15:26:17 Why are we on this one ? Jul 18 15:26:37 !bug 285549 Jul 18 15:26:39 NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; belendax@gmail.com:trustees@g.o Jul 18 15:26:40 <_robbat2|irssi> i don't know Jul 18 15:26:48 legal input Jul 18 15:27:14 I'll take us off Grants bug Jul 18 15:27:31 !bug 296766 Jul 18 15:27:33 NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o Jul 18 15:27:39 discussed already Jul 18 15:28:05 !bug 304853 Jul 18 15:28:07 NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; ASSI; mihel@hotbox.ru:trustees@g.o Jul 18 15:28:19 dabbott, ? Jul 18 15:28:21 has the contest been run? Jul 18 15:28:33 tsunam: do you have access to the store? I will run the contest Jul 18 15:28:40 dabbott: I do Jul 18 15:28:58 ok :) right after the screenshot contest ++ Jul 18 15:29:06 yep Jul 18 15:29:18 I need to send information to the rest of the trustee's about access to the store Jul 18 15:29:26 <_robbat2|irssi> thx Jul 18 15:29:31 !bug 326701 Jul 18 15:29:32 NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/326701 "Gentoo Official Store add trustees to cafepress@gentoo.org"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; dabbott@g.o:trustees@g.o Jul 18 15:29:54 I'll change that this week hopefully Jul 18 15:30:03 tsunam, thanks Jul 18 15:30:10 thats ll the bugs Jul 18 15:30:14 <_robbat2|irssi> assign to me in status Jul 18 15:30:30 <_robbat2|irssi> i'll update the alias when i'm home Jul 18 15:30:37 <_robbat2|irssi> in 10 hours Jul 18 15:30:40 _robbat2|irssi, ok Jul 18 15:30:59 Item 5 New Business Jul 18 15:31:13 New Sponsor Axant Jul 18 15:31:39 <_robbat2|irssi> was that the .it or the .ru? Jul 18 15:31:50 the site is in .it Jul 18 15:32:24 <_robbat2|irssi> no objections to them from me, since there is a dev Jul 18 15:32:35 *nods* Jul 18 15:32:36 same here Jul 18 15:32:53 As a policy statement, I'm in favour of giving coverage to companies offering paid for Gentoo support but stopping shourt of calling it offcial Jul 18 15:33:13 We cannot test the quality of the support, so cannot endorse it Jul 18 15:33:16 I'd concur Jul 18 15:33:17 <_robbat2|irssi> with preference to those employing devs? Jul 18 15:33:58 Well, paid support gives companies a warm fuzzy feeling Jul 18 15:34:30 I'd be hesitant to suggest any preferential listing Jul 18 15:34:42 maybe two catagories ... those with devs on the payrol, those without ? Jul 18 15:35:05 who would maintain such a list? As people do move on to other positions Jul 18 15:35:15 I don't have any strong feelings Jul 18 15:35:30 We could add another chapter to the sponsors page for commercial support not endorsed Jul 18 15:35:45 <_robbat2|irssi> below the rest, sure Jul 18 15:35:47 Leave the groupings out then Jul 18 15:36:00 that would be preferable to me then Jul 18 15:36:09 <_robbat2|irssi> or would a seperate page be better? Jul 18 15:36:10 yes below the rest and look to cleanup the top part Jul 18 15:36:20 I think a seperate page would be better in my opinion Jul 18 15:36:23 dabbott, inverspath have a listing on support. I think they are the only ones Jul 18 15:36:49 seperate page will work fine Jul 18 15:36:52 <_robbat2|irssi> they used to be an infra-sponsor too Jul 18 15:36:56 I prefer a new page Jul 18 15:37:16 with NeddySeagoon's message that these are companies offering support for gentoo, however we don't guarentee their level's of support Jul 18 15:37:37 <_robbat2|irssi> +1 on that warning/preface Jul 18 15:37:39 bah netbook :( typing on it isn't easy :/ Jul 18 15:38:05 I will put somthing together and send to the list, a new page for review Jul 18 15:38:12 <_robbat2|irssi> hey, my kb is worse :-p Jul 18 15:38:14 thank you dabbott Jul 18 15:38:15 <_robbat2|irssi> ok Jul 18 15:38:23 Summary ... new page for companies offering paid support for Gentoo with our rider that we do not underwrite the quality of support. Cavet Emptor Jul 18 15:38:31 <_robbat2|irssi> +1 Jul 18 15:38:55 NeddySeagoon: thanks Jul 18 15:39:21 We have the two requests .it and .ru Jul 18 15:39:25 <_robbat2|irssi> anything more critical, t-5 min, for me Jul 18 15:39:28 Will we accept both ? Jul 18 15:39:52 <_robbat2|irssi> i want to talk to the .ru more Jul 18 15:39:57 ok Jul 18 15:40:06 Do we accept the .it then Jul 18 15:40:07 the .it I don't have an issue with accepting now Jul 18 15:40:08 <_robbat2|irssi> the .it i've known about for a bit Jul 18 15:40:40 motion to accept the .it request for isting Jul 18 15:40:46 accept .it defer .ru until _robbat2|irssi checks them out :) Jul 18 15:40:54 aye Jul 18 15:41:01 <_robbat2|irssi> aye Jul 18 15:41:01 aye Jul 18 15:41:07 _robbat2|irssi, ? Jul 18 15:41:16 he aready said yes :_P Jul 18 15:41:27 Sorry. Jul 18 15:41:37 Lets skip to membership Jul 18 15:41:59 Anthony G. Basile and Maciej Mrozowski both devs Jul 18 15:42:01 yes Jul 18 15:42:03 aye to both Jul 18 15:42:04 All in favou Jul 18 15:42:08 aye Jul 18 15:42:11 <_robbat2|irssi> aye to both Jul 18 15:42:19 Carried Jul 18 15:42:53 Markos Chandras (hwoarang) Request for developer certificate Jul 18 15:43:10 quantumsummers_, usually does these Jul 18 15:43:14 <_robbat2|irssi> aye, same as prior certs Jul 18 15:43:37 action on quantumsummers_ then, since hes not here Jul 18 15:43:42 *nods* Jul 18 15:43:58 Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 15th Aug 2010 19:00 UTC Jul 18 15:44:02 <_robbat2|irssi> t-1 for me Jul 18 15:44:04 works for me Jul 18 15:44:08 wfm Jul 18 15:44:11 fine here Jul 18 15:44:17 carried Jul 18 15:44:20 <_robbat2|irssi> aye, i think my calendar is free Jul 18 15:44:29 Any other business ... _robbat2|irssi ? Jul 18 15:44:32 <_robbat2|irssi> none Jul 18 15:44:42 dabbott, Jul 18 15:44:51 <_robbat2|irssi> apologies for missing the last meeting Jul 18 15:44:52 no other business from me Jul 18 15:44:59 nor from me Jul 18 15:45:00 did you want to do the bugs on the mailing list Jul 18 15:45:15 <_robbat2|irssi> sure Jul 18 15:45:27 tsunam, will post the log Jul 18 15:45:41 if something needs more attention we can add it to the agenda Jul 18 15:45:54 dabbott, can you do the motions please ? Jul 18 15:46:09 yes, the log also while I am at it Jul 18 15:46:12 * NeddySeagoon will write to our new members Jul 18 15:46:21 dabbott: ah thanks then :) Jul 18 15:46:26 <_robbat2|irssi> ok i'm out of here Jul 18 15:46:32 Agenda item 11 # Open Floor Jul 18 15:46:33 thanks _robbat2|irssi Jul 18 15:46:33 <_robbat2|irssi> travel safely all Jul 18 15:46:36 bye _robbat2|irssi Jul 18 15:46:43 bye _robbat2|irssi have a safe flight Jul 18 15:46:52 <_robbat2|irssi> gone Jul 18 15:47:46 seems no one has any things for the open floor Jul 18 15:47:51 * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to close the meeting