21:58 < willikins> antarus, you have notes! [Dec- 8 12:21] <veremitz> Grobian is active on email and lists, fyi.
21:58 <@robbat2> present
21:59  * antarus can't seem to find his bot from last time
21:59 <@antarus> cursed bash history
22:03 <@robbat2> prometheanfire, b-man, alicef: meeting ping
22:06 <@robbat2> antarus: i really hope we don't wind up without quorum again
22:07 <@antarus> worried? :)
22:07 <@robbat2> just a bunch of stuff i'd like us to get passed
22:07 <@antarus> the funding, or other stuff?
22:07 <@prometheanfire> pong
22:07 <@robbat2> RFP esp
22:07 <@robbat2> ok, we have quorum
22:07 <@antarus> oh did we think the RFP needed a vote?
22:07 <@prometheanfire> I don't think it requires it
22:08 <@prometheanfire> acceptance of the final result might
22:08 <@antarus> anyway, quorum achieved
22:08 <@antarus> who is logging?
22:09 <@robbat2> i'll offer my logs
22:09 <@antarus> great
22:09 <@antarus> Old business: mailing address update
22:09 <@antarus> haven't made any progress, but the filing is done, so progress is possible
22:10 <@antarus> expect more prodding from me for infos, I think many of the remaining items require robin and I to transact on various credentials
22:10 <@robbat2> did you see my comments re ARIN/RIPE entries that had our old details?
22:10 <@prometheanfire> we are mainly waiting on finance stuff to be able to update the address in more places
22:10 <@antarus> I haven ot looked at the ARIN RIPE bug in a month I suspect
22:11 <@robbat2> we have the new address on one bank account, so that should cover having bank statements as proof
22:11 <@antarus> All I can really say is that progress on the easy ones has been made ;)
22:12 <@prometheanfire> ya
22:12 <@antarus> ok so that should unblock paypal if i fetch them from the mailing service?
22:12 <@antarus> any idea where the paypal creds are?
22:12 <@robbat2> paypal creds are in the repo
22:12 <@robbat2> securely
22:12 <@prometheanfire> should be in git
22:12 <@antarus> ok I'll hunt after the meeting ;)
22:12 <@robbat2> the paypal one: i think it might be linked to the old bank account rather than the newer one
22:12 <@robbat2> should need checking
22:13 <@robbat2> and updating to relink
22:13 <@antarus> anything else needed on address updates?
22:13 <@robbat2> IRS was blocked by address
22:13 <@robbat2> but we have the bank statement there now
22:13 <@robbat2> so that should be unblocked for any RFP stuff
22:13 <@antarus> I am loathe to touch the IRS stuff until we hire a firm
22:15 <@antarus> closing it otherwise
22:15 <@antarus> There are no outstanding votes on the agenda
22:15 <@antarus> There are no community items on the agenda
22:15 <@robbat2> there's a funding vote in bugs
22:15 <@prometheanfire> there was one request that Shentino sent in
22:15 <@antarus> his resignation you mean?
22:15 <@robbat2> bug 671312
22:15 < willikins> https://bugs.gentoo.org/671312 "Replacement Serial Console server for use at OSUOSL, on prod & dev systems"; Gentoo Foundation, Infra Support; CONF; robbat2:trustees
22:16 <@prometheanfire> antarus: more than that
22:17 <@antarus> prometheanfire: ok lets vote on 2 things, then circle back
22:17 <@prometheanfire> sent 18-11-14
22:17 <@prometheanfire> k
22:17 <@antarus> serial console thing
22:17 <@antarus> vote on https://bugs.gentoo.org/671312
22:18 <@prometheanfire> vote in the bug?
22:18 <@robbat2> i set a cap of $5k for the purchase; everybody i've asked for recommendations on product points to OpenGear
22:18 <@antarus> on the bug is fine
22:19 <@antarus> Just as an aside I'm approving for CM4116 ;)
22:19 <@robbat2> as almost every other vendor has licensing/ongoing costs
22:19 <@prometheanfire> I'd personally like to vote once we actually know the selection
22:20 <@robbat2> antarus: CM4116 is EOL soon
22:20 <@robbat2> that's why CM7116 instead
22:20 <@antarus> oh er, I meant 7
22:20 <@antarus> sorry that one ;)
22:20 <@antarus> is there some reason why we would buy the more expensive one?
22:20 <@prometheanfire> I'd prefer something more future proof (longer life), but without pricing it's hard
22:21 <@robbat2> yeah, i was hoping that they'd get back to me for pricing on the latest OM series
22:21 <@robbat2> so we can maximize life
22:21 <@robbat2> the IM7216 benefits over CM7116 are small
22:21 <@prometheanfire> if it's alright I'll wait and vote on the bug once we have pricing for the OM series
22:22 <@prometheanfire> do either have 4G?
22:22 <@prometheanfire> does 4G reach into the DC for that mater
22:22  * antarus doesn't care about 4g
22:22 <@robbat2> i wasn't going to bother w/ 4G
22:22 <@antarus> if the OSL is boned we are screw anyway
22:22 <@robbat2> and I don't want the ongoing cost there
22:22 <@robbat2> capex, not opex
22:23 <@antarus> robbat2: are you happy waiting for pricing on the latest model?
22:23 <@prometheanfire> k
22:23 <@antarus> (voting on the bug for this is probably pretty straightforward in any case)
22:23 <@robbat2> prometheanfire: is there a price point above which you care?
22:24 <@prometheanfire> depends on lifetime of the product, if (C|I)M7216 goes EOL in 4 years how long will OM last
22:24 <@prometheanfire> then it's just math
22:24 <@antarus> there is a price point where i care
22:24 <@prometheanfire> there's also the question of how long we wait before just ordering one of them (if we have need)
22:24 <@antarus> I find the value pretty 'meh' as an infra member
22:25 <@antarus> I'm trying to remember the last time I used the console server with success.
22:25 <@antarus> like in theory its great, in practice its been misconfigured and I've been forced to use IPMI / iLo
22:25 <@prometheanfire> iirc it's mainly for backup coms, ipmi/ilo/drac are generally more useful, yes
22:25 <@robbat2> it's more for the altarch dev boxes than the main servers
22:25 <@robbat2> where they don't have ipmi etc
22:26 <@prometheanfire> that was the follow up question :D
22:26 <@prometheanfire> how urgent is this?
22:26 <@robbat2> it impacted work on guppy
22:26 <@prometheanfire> ongoing?
22:26 <@antarus> I doubt i'd want to spend more than 3k without more informatoin on usage
22:27 <@robbat2> reluctance to work on kernel w/o easy to acccess serial console to recover
22:27 <@prometheanfire> ok
22:27 <@robbat2> there's a second funding request I hadn't gotten around to filing yet, because it's further out; and that's figuring out switchgear replacement
22:27 <@robbat2> i mention it here
22:28 <@robbat2> because there's an IM model w/ a gigabit switch integrated
22:28 <@robbat2> IM7216-2-24E-DAC/DC
22:29 <@robbat2> starts around $3300USD
22:29 <@antarus> sorry I'd like to move on; robbat2 you are ok deferring while we await updated pricing on the new model?
22:29 <@robbat2> yes continue
22:29 <@antarus> ok
22:29 <@robbat2> i'll give them a deadline of 1 week?
22:29 <@robbat2> since I did email ~3 weeks ago
22:30 <@antarus> you can drive at whatever speed you wish
22:30 <@prometheanfire> wfm
22:30 <@antarus> https://bugs.gentoo.org/668682
22:30 <@antarus> is the other hting I'd like to close
22:30 <@antarus> My feeling is we don't care and patrick can commit with his chinese name provided he can fit it into LDAP or whereever
22:31 <@robbat2> +1, Gecos transliteration required; no concerns from me
22:31 <@antarus> whether we should change the LDAP schema is a separate issue (which we may need to drive organizationall)
22:31 <@antarus> yeah gecos is ascii or latin-7 or whatever old standard
22:31 <@prometheanfire> ya, it's more of a question of ldap compat
22:31 <@antarus> I'm going to comment on the bug and remove trustees then?
22:31 <@prometheanfire> I'm fine with that
22:31 <@prometheanfire> ya
22:31 <@antarus> great
22:31 <@antarus> prometheanfire: shentino's item
22:32 <@prometheanfire> antarus: you have the email?
22:32 <@antarus> can oyu be more specific?
22:32 <@robbat2> message-id for reference?
22:32 <@prometheanfire> Message-ID: <CAGDaZ_rdonCd7CB621dWJYG9Lv-d9_EQcQh2bQpkoAURY=mHUw@mail.gmail.com>
22:33 <@robbat2> i don't see that one in my trustees inbox in a quick glance
22:34 <@prometheanfire> ugh, it was sent to just me
22:34 <@antarus> yeah I don't have it either
22:34 <@prometheanfire> I'll forward it out and we can discuss next time
22:34 <@antarus> ok
22:34 <@antarus> any infra updates besides the funding stuff robin mentioned?
22:35 <@prometheanfire> iirc he had another funding thing, some hdds?
22:35 <@antarus> for guppy?
22:35 <@robbat2> bug 671420
22:35 < willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/671420 "guppy (ia64 machine) needs hardware swap: broken PSU and broken HDD"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Dev box issues; CONF; slyfox:infra-bugs
22:35 <@robbat2> low-budget, looks like there's no SSDs that are useful anyway
22:35 <@robbat2> due to age of system
22:35 <@prometheanfire> yep
22:36 <@robbat2> but i'm going to buy more than one replacement drive
22:36 <@prometheanfire> I'm fine with it and approve it
22:36 <@robbat2> because they are super-cheap and it looks like more failures might happen soon
22:36 <@antarus> approved
22:36 <@robbat2> $30/drive estimated
22:38 <@robbat2> next item
22:38 <@prometheanfire> robbat2: you approve and can order now?
22:38 <@robbat2> yep
22:38 <@prometheanfire> cool
22:39 <@antarus> great
22:39 <@antarus> Any updates from treasurer?
22:40 <@robbat2> no specific items; money is healthy
22:40 <@antarus> Great
22:41 <@robbat2> if prometheanfire wants to scrape the latest statements from the capone account I can't login to
22:41 <@robbat2> that would be great to add
22:41 <@robbat2> i was planning on having mid-year statement published
22:41 <@antarus> I don't believe we have new vendors, funding requests we covered, sponsorship..we have 1 open request but the fellow has not responded
22:41 <@antarus> no advertising requests that i am aware of
22:41 <@antarus> membership applications?
22:42 <@prometheanfire> sure, I can check
22:42 <@prometheanfire> antarus: none I know of
22:42 < veremitz> ENONEWDEVS afaik :P
22:42 <@antarus> OK
22:42 <@antarus> open floor?
22:43 <@prometheanfire> sure
22:43 < veremitz> minor query .. I know a couple of people have been trying to gain access to the s390 box for updating the stages .. but it seems there is some mystery to who has access, and who can grant access?
22:44 < veremitz> or how access is even granted.
22:44 <@robbat2> formally, vapier is the one
22:44 <@robbat2> as it was his responsibility for that host
22:44 <@robbat2> but he's been awol
22:44 < veremitz> I believe zlogene has been asked, slyfox and mattst88 were asking ..
22:44 <@robbat2> i'm wondering a takeover of vapier's user management scripts
22:44 < veremitz> releng is getting tired of the failure emails :D
22:44 <@antarus> I will try to contact mike on Monday
22:44 <@antarus> he is travelling right now, iirc
22:45 < veremitz> antarus: thanks :)
22:45 <@antarus> the RFP is done
22:45 < veremitz> robbat2: could be a good move
22:45 <@antarus> I only have 2 firms to send it to
22:45 <@antarus> but will send next week
22:45 <@antarus> if we include individuals, I have 3 recipients ;)
22:45 <@robbat2> antarus: besides sending direct to firms, I believe it should be posted to the lists and openly
22:45 < veremitz> I think the draft has been circulated, so that makes sense
22:45 < veremitz> </2cents>
22:45 <@prometheanfire> robbat2++
22:46 <@antarus> which?
22:46 <@antarus> (lists)
22:46 <@prometheanfire> nfp, foundations
22:46 <@robbat2> project as well for good measure
22:47 <@antarus> I can post to nfp and project
22:47 <@antarus> I'll ask for guidance as to whether the foundation lists would appreciate our rfp or not
22:47 <@antarus> they are pretty responsive on irc
22:47 <@prometheanfire> k
22:47 <@antarus> any other business?
22:48 <@prometheanfire> nope
22:49 < veremitz> nowt more here.
22:50 <@robbat2> i emailed opengear again, incl cc to sales@ asking for quotes on the OM line
22:50 <@antarus> great
22:50  * antarus gavels
22:50 <@antarus> meeting over