[22:02:03] alexxy / bonsaikitten / dagger / jmbsvicetto / lxnay / mrpouet / reavertm_ / scarabeus / spatz / wired [22:02:05] meeting time [22:02:12] http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/kde.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/maintainers/meetings/meeting-2010-03-18;h=b056be61645fbd793cf07cb9d0eb968e961cb2c1;hb=HEAD [22:02:21] who is here? [22:02:25] mesa here [22:02:29] me [22:02:39] boss around [22:02:44] although my connection is flaky [22:02:47] ping me when it gets to subprofile stuff I guess. Preoccupied 30 more mins [22:03:00] leio: i was about to ping me [22:03:07] ok let's skip it for now [22:03:12] s/me/you [22:03:18] well, in that agenda it's last item anyway.. [22:04:11] let's wait another 10 mins, many ppl are away [22:04:31] -*- alexxy here ;) [22:05:54] I will start with the lighter thing [22:06:00] since there were no objections to new rules [22:06:01] --> willikins (~rbot@gentoo/bot/Willikins) has joined #gentoo-meetings [22:06:10] woohaa bot is back [22:06:13] !herd kde [22:06:16] i will start enforcing them [22:06:36] where is the draft first of all? [22:06:39] so i will thin up team list probably [22:06:40] and why isn't it in git? [22:06:52] what for my rules? [22:06:55] i sent you mail [22:07:06] ok, commit it in git :) [22:07:36] http://dev.gentoo.org/~scarabeus/kde-team-rules.html [22:08:04] i would have to find that rst first :P [22:08:15] pong [22:08:28] ok let's start now [22:08:29] I just need a minute to put my things down and I'll be back [22:08:34] again who is here? [22:08:51] scarab [22:09:09] -*- spatz ← [22:09:09] !herd kde [22:09:26] (it responds to pm at least) [22:09:36] (kde) abcd, alexxy, carlo, cryos, dagger, deathwing00, jmbsvicetto, keytoaster, lxnay, mrpouet, patrick, scarabeus, spatz, sping, tampakrap, tgurr, wired [22:09:57] -*- wired o/ [22:10:25] -*- alexxy partialy there or here or somwhere else [22:11:09] scarabeus: go on with the removal of members plz [22:11:18] what's the news on this? [22:11:28] well you didnt complain [22:11:35] so i will put down a list, and clean up [22:11:46] you had 1 month to write objections to my rules list :] [22:12:14] just to note, it has nothing against the named developers, i just preffer that people know who is maintaining it [22:12:59] here [22:13:02] anything else on this? [22:13:31] only if you have questions [22:13:58] questions? anyone? [22:14:52] so, people are going to be removed from the team, i repeat: questions? [22:15:13] (kde) abcd, alexxy, carlo, cryos, dagger, deathwing00, jmbsvicetto, keytoaster, lxnay, mrpouet, patrick, scarabeus, spatz, sping, tampakrap, tgurr, wired [22:15:38] let's move on [22:15:46] Review work flow for KDE minor bumps and improve collaboration with arch teams [22:15:49] (kde) abcd, alexxy, carlo, cryos, dagger, deathwing00, jmbsvicetto, keytoaster, lxnay, mrpouet, patrick, scarabeus, spatz, sping, tampakrap, tgurr, wired [22:15:51] scarabeus: ^^? [22:16:09] it was written last time, wasn't it? [22:16:56] we were going to continue the discussion today [22:17:10] unless nothing new is going to be said [22:17:14] jmbsvicetto: ^^? [22:17:39] tampakrap: iirc I had only one change and it was accepted [22:18:42] ok [22:18:43] next [22:18:54] KDE-4.4 status [22:19:09] 4.4.1 is out, you said that ppl reported problems with 4.4.0 [22:19:14] i didn't have any at least [22:19:22] i saw few people working on bindings finaly in overlay [22:19:25] which is great [22:19:41] indeed [22:19:57] can we have 4.4.1 as a stable candidate? regressions? blockers? [22:20:02] It's working great here [22:20:10] I don't have kdepim or kdebindings, though [22:20:28] kdepim is great, kdebindings needs work [22:20:40] I've got full kde-4.4.1 and it's good. I had problems migrating from 4.3.x with kmail, but it's all ok now [22:20:50] i guess we should pay attention on this and if there are no further problems we can have it as a stable candidate [22:21:02] schedule? [22:21:33] 4.4.1 works great here too - and on colleague's system as well (users are best test :P) [22:21:50] i guess start of next month? scarabeus? [22:22:06] ok, i saw no more issues too [22:22:18] just check regressions against 4.3 -> 4.4 migration [22:22:19] фдыщ нуы [22:22:23] and ok for 4.4.1 patch [22:22:24] yep [22:22:31] 4.4.1 works great [22:22:41] also we use it at university [22:22:45] as De for students [22:23:06] scarabeus: start of next month is ok? [22:23:25] yup [22:23:26] meaning two weeks from now? [22:23:36] no, stable bug [22:23:43] sorry misread :P [22:23:44] yes [22:24:14] unless there aren't any other things here, we can move [22:24:21] --> dilfridge (~quassel@gateway.maximilianeum.mhn.de) has joined #gentoo-meetings [22:24:34] enterprise useflag for kdepim stuff (a use flag to follow the enterprise branch of the kdepim repo, only for trunk) [22:24:54] nobody sent any mail or word about working on it [22:24:58] so we should move it to todo [22:25:04] until someone feels motivated enough [22:25:04] i lack the hardware to proceed on this, plus i asked for help, noone answered [22:25:19] Sput: anything you want to say on this? [22:25:36] i dont know anything about it, but would like to get some information. what's different in enterprise branch? [22:26:04] does enterprise branch contain support for Openchange/libmapi? [22:26:27] (that's required for propler M$ exchange 2003/2007/2010 support) [22:26:31] enterprise branch for kdepim is the actual branch were kde developers care about [22:26:39] since kdepim trunk is broken right now [22:26:47] it's supposed to stay stable while everything else is being ported to akonadi (and broken in the meantime) [22:26:47] dagger: it is the branch that is more stable/solid, developers care about that one, because they are payed for that branch [22:27:14] so I guess it's not part of "default" kdepim right? [22:27:20] ok, we'll move this topic for next meeting, since there is no progress [22:27:22] right [22:27:50] let's move [22:27:52] koffice status [22:28:10] new koffice is released, i did a simple rename, and it currently is in hilarious status [22:28:18] some packages don't even compile [22:28:53] -*- scarabeus told you so [22:29:04] i'll try to fix it, but i'll need help, anyone willing to help me is welcome [22:29:16] i might [22:29:25] current ebuilds are hardmasked in overlay, tarball is not released yet [22:29:31] okie [22:29:55] and we should be quick on this and try to have a schedule for stabilization too [22:30:17] as it also new packages [22:30:34] btw i can help with quick-ish stabilization on amd64 [22:30:42] sure [22:30:47] tampakrap: enterprise branch is based on pre-akonadi kdepim and supposedly works [22:30:56] but a USE flag isn't gonna cut it, the packages are too different [22:31:20] also we might have to check what they have outside of kdepim, I think they even ship a hacked kdelibs [22:31:26] o_O [22:31:33] kdelibs-lite! [22:31:34] ;p [22:31:37] (but Paul Adams told me it should work fine with 4.5) [22:31:41] yes, we need a different branch for this [22:32:01] there was a mail recently on kde-scm-interest where steveire detailed how branches work [22:32:23] kdepim is in the process of moving to git (as the rest of KDE) [22:33:05] in any case, the enterprise5 branch is going to be based on KDE 4.5, the enterprise4 branch is based on KDE 4.4 [22:33:47] ok thanks i'm going to add those info in a mail and try to revive the issue to users [22:34:19] moving to next one [22:34:19] also, it seems like KDAB doubts that they manage to get kdepim fixed in time for KDE 4.5 [22:34:34] there will be a meeting in a few weeks where they are going to decide what to do [22:35:11] one problem is that they got their branching all wrong and lost tons of commits for kmail trunk [22:35:25] because people were comitting to the wrong branch... [22:35:45] okie [22:35:50] next one [22:35:56] change kde-meta (and @kde-*) to include all modules (plus the developer specific ones) [22:36:12] there were some ppl in the mail i send that liked my idea [22:36:21] so i'd really like to move on this [22:36:24] scarabeus: ^^? [22:36:29] with useflag you can go ahead [22:36:29] im still in favor of this if we use a USE flag [22:36:31] I still don't like that [22:36:49] At least not in kde-meta without a use flag [22:36:51] dev || sdk [22:36:59] both are nice use flags :) [22:37:01] jmbsvicetto: what i said above :P [22:37:05] :P [22:37:34] ok, i'll add sdk useflag to kde-meta [22:37:47] and leave sets as they are [22:37:52] not as IUSE default :P [22:37:54] i don't care about sets anyway [22:37:58] of course not [22:38:00] lol [22:38:02] +1 [22:38:27] sdk will contain bindings, kdewebdev and kdesdk? or should i leave bindings for now? [22:38:53] do they work? [22:39:03] they do not mostly] [22:39:09] do they build? [22:39:12] there are ppl working on them, so i guess they will in the near future [22:39:20] scarabeus: which bindings do not work? [22:39:31] csharp afaik [22:39:35] if they build i vote on adding them, get people's attention :) [22:40:11] ok, i'll leave them out for now then, and add them later when they all build [22:40:24] afaik we don't even have a meta for bindings [22:41:19] thank you for this, next one is patches of kde-packager [22:41:32] jmbsvicetto / ABCD(absent): any news on this? [22:42:18] tampakrap: sorry not yet [22:42:34] so i guess you need help on this? [22:42:39] I'll focus on this for 4.4.1 onwards [22:42:40] any more ppl willing to help? [22:43:07] i have to work on something different, so i have to blob out, so enjoy the rest of the meeting, i will reply to pongs, but wont read [22:43:07] for latest topic i am with lieo (malformed for no highlight) [22:44:10] no worries [22:44:15] scarabeus: is it something with leads that makes them be away all the time? [22:44:20] :D [22:44:27] j/k ofc, c ya later [22:44:46] let's raise the topic in next meeting to see if there will be any progress then [22:45:05] last topic and most important [22:45:10] split of desktop profile [22:45:21] leio / yngwin: your attention plz :) [22:45:47] :) [22:46:40] leio: as i told you before, i really like the idea of mixed profiles and i am willing to work on it [22:47:08] I like that idea as well [22:47:11] but i can't have an eta as i don't have a stable schedule atm and i don't even know how much time it wants to be finished [22:47:16] me too, but i expect that will take a while to implement [22:47:23] --> pesa (~Pesa@host124-126-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #gentoo-meetings [22:47:27] so i'd really like to proceed on commiting the patches i have prepared [22:47:50] so any objections? something wrong with them before i commit? [22:48:48] no objections [22:49:38] i haven't tested them (and i don't use the desktop profile :p) but i really like the idea, +1 [22:51:06] <-- pesa (~Pesa@host124-126-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has left #gentoo-meetings ("Konversation terminated!") [22:51:20] leio seems away, so if you want you anything more you can pm me [22:51:38] i'll commit it this sunday fyi, i'll be out of town the next two days [22:52:10] well, you know what I think [22:52:26] (was here at start, but had a phone call afterwards) [22:53:36] cool, i'd take it as a :thumbup from the gnome team and proceed [22:53:42] we have had the single desktop profile situation for, what? four years? So even waiting 3 months more to get the better method implemented would sound fine in my book, but as I can't work on that myself, I can't well argue against more subprofiles meanwhile [22:55:00] point taken [22:55:32] i guess the meeting is over, I'd also like to inform you i have updated docs, please check for any issues