2014-03-19 20:04:29	@wired	ohai?
2014-03-19 20:06:11	 *	Pinkbyte stares on creffett
2014-03-19 20:06:38	@Tommy[D]	[01:03:00] <creffett> I can't make tomorrow's meeting at all (or if I can, I will be rather late), I have an exam at the time
2014-03-19 20:07:21	 *	zlogene is here
2014-03-19 20:07:47	@Pinkbyte	ok
2014-03-19 20:07:52	 *	Pinkbyte stares on TomWij
2014-03-19 20:07:59	@zlogene	but busy with stydyin too
2014-03-19 20:08:00	@Pinkbyte	Deputy Lead, your word?
2014-03-19 20:08:17	 *	TomWij is here.
2014-03-19 20:08:55	@TomWij	https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Quality_Assurance/Meeting_Agenda
2014-03-19 20:08:58	@TomWij	!herd qa
2014-03-19 20:09:00	willikins	TomWij: (qa) (Gentoo Quality Assurance) is not a herd. For a semi complete listing of people on that team visit http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa
2014-03-19 20:09:09	@TomWij	Right, this thing again; moment... :D
2014-03-19 20:09:27	@Tommy[D]	!expn qa
2014-03-19 20:09:29	willikins	Tommy[D]: qa = (private)
2014-03-19 20:09:31	@zlogene	TomWij: qa is private anyway :D 
2014-03-19 20:09:34	@Pinkbyte	)))
2014-03-19 20:10:09	@TomWij	creffett, patrick, Pinkbyte, TomWij, Tommy[D], ulm, WilliamH, wired, Zero_Chaos, zlogene: Everybody here?
2014-03-19 20:10:18	 *	wired o/
2014-03-19 20:10:22	 *	zlogene is here
2014-03-19 20:10:34	@TomWij	bonsaikitten: Here?
2014-03-19 20:10:35	@Pinkbyte	\o/
2014-03-19 20:11:54	@TomWij	If I see correctly Chris, Patrick, Ulrich, William and Rick are absent at this point.
2014-03-19 20:12:21	@TomWij	Anyone wants to do the meeting; if not, I guess I'll take it on my plate (though I'm certainly not used to it).
2014-03-19 20:13:33	@zlogene	4 of 10
2014-03-19 20:13:35	@zlogene	hmm
2014-03-19 20:14:10	@Pinkbyte	no quorum at all, i am for reassigning meeting time
2014-03-19 20:14:31	 *	WilliamH is here late
2014-03-19 20:14:36	@wired	yeah the stats are not good today, are people out to watch Champions League or sth? :p
2014-03-19 20:14:54	@zlogene	I am too, as for me i am busy right now 
2014-03-19 20:14:55	@WilliamH	I'm fine with reassigning meeting time too.
2014-03-19 20:14:56	@TomWij	6 of 10; 6 here, 4 absent; yeah, maybe we can just discuss the first agenda point.
2014-03-19 20:15:01	@TomWij	"Rotating meeting times/other ways to get everyone to be able to make a meeting"
2014-03-19 20:15:03	@Tommy[D]	maybe the rest is watching Chris? :D
2014-03-19 20:15:37	@zlogene	!seen creffett 
2014-03-19 20:15:37	willikins	zlogene: creffett was last seen 16 hours, 37 minutes and 56 seconds ago, joining #gentoo-dev
2014-03-19 20:15:46	@Tommy[D]	i see no point in chaning the meeting time to a different time where less people can make it
2014-03-19 20:15:56	@WilliamH	I thought I saw him say he has an exam or something
2014-03-19 20:16:03	@Tommy[D]	zlogene: he wrote around 19 hours ago, that he cannot make it
2014-03-19 20:16:40	@Pinkbyte	well, current time is not ideal for me, but i doubt that we could choose better one that fits everybody
2014-03-19 20:16:47	@TomWij	Rick and Patrick consistently can't make it, afaik; and with the time shift, it's a problem for Chris too. So, maybe we should set up a whenisgood to figure out better times?
2014-03-19 20:16:59	@WilliamH	Right, I think we are spread pretty far across time zones?
2014-03-19 20:17:18	@Tommy[D]	TomWij: we did already have a setup there and this was afaik the best time to get most people on board
2014-03-19 20:17:50	@Tommy[D]	you cant get everyone together, if some are in europe, someone in china and somone in the west of the us
2014-03-19 20:18:16	@TomWij	Yeah, in China it's 03:18 now or so.
2014-03-19 20:18:19	@wired	perhaps we can alternate our meeting times
2014-03-19 20:18:29	@zlogene	!time Pinkbyte 
2014-03-19 20:18:30	willikins	zlogene: Europe - Moscow - Wed Mar 19 23:18 MSK
2014-03-19 20:18:40	@WilliamH	!time williamh
2014-03-19 20:18:41	willikins	WilliamH: America - Chicago - Wed Mar 19 14:18 CDT
2014-03-19 20:18:53	@Tommy[D]	wired: other times mean even less people can make it there, so even higher chance we dont even get half of the team to the meeting
2014-03-19 20:18:54	@zlogene	!time Zlogene 
2014-03-19 20:18:54	willikins	I don't know where zlogene is, (s)he should use !time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
2014-03-19 20:19:04	@zlogene	!time zlogene 
2014-03-19 20:19:04	willikins	I don't know where zlogene is, (s)he should use !time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
2014-03-19 20:19:12	@TomWij	wired: Yes, something like two meetings in the same day or in the same week might work.
2014-03-19 20:19:12	@zlogene	lolwhat? 
2014-03-19 20:20:09	@wired	and we can always let missing people vote over mail the next day for important issues if we are not enough present
2014-03-19 20:20:17	@zlogene	in short, i live in Europe/Moscow and curent time is not ok for me 
2014-03-19 20:20:25	@Tommy[D]	TomWij: how do you want to organize that? especially, since the first group is then expected to vote without the comments from the second one
2014-03-19 20:20:25	@wired	killed that sentence \o/
2014-03-19 20:20:52	@wired	we can make a second attempt to find a good time using that website
2014-03-19 20:21:06	@wired	just in case people have different schedules now
2014-03-19 20:21:46	@WilliamH	wired: I'm not sure anyone's schedules are going to be that different, I think we are just spread too far across timezones...
2014-03-19 20:21:47	@TomWij	Tommy[D]: Voting over mail might be an option.
2014-03-19 20:21:56	@Tommy[D]	wired: unless someone moved his home, i would not expect it :)
2014-03-19 20:22:32	@wired	well, my schedule is even lighter these days
2014-03-19 20:22:50	@TomWij	Like, have the two meetings; then after that the motions are spread by mail and everyone mails their response within 24h or so.
2014-03-19 20:22:57	@wired	for one, although I had a flexible schedule to begin with
2014-03-19 20:22:57	@Tommy[D]	TomWij: we could have a majority meeting, get the log to the alias and allow the rest to vote, if needed, via mail
2014-03-19 20:23:11	@wired	Tommy[D]: that's what I was thinking as well
2014-03-19 20:23:14	@wired	for important stuff anyway
2014-03-19 20:24:10	@Pinkbyte	Tommy[D], yeah, at least more coverage for voting is good. Quorum is sufficient, but, hell, missing guys should also have opportunity at least to vote
2014-03-19 20:24:10	@zlogene	!rime Europe/Moscow 
2014-03-19 20:24:17	@zlogene	!time Europe/Moscow 
2014-03-19 20:24:17	willikins	zlogene: Europe - Moscow - Wed Mar 19 23:24 MSK
2014-03-19 20:24:30	@zlogene	!botsnack 
2014-03-19 20:24:30	@TomWij	Hmm, anyone knows how to pull IRC statistics; could see when people talk here often and deduce activity from that.
2014-03-19 20:24:30	willikins	zlogene: schweet!
2014-03-19 20:24:43	@wired	TomWij: I have stats for gentoo-dev
2014-03-19 20:24:53	@Pinkbyte	zlogene, if you want to set time in willikins, you are doing it wrong ;-)
2014-03-19 20:25:04	@Pinkbyte	i mean, timezone, of course )
2014-03-19 20:25:16	@wired	http://pages.linuxized.com/stats/gentoo-dev.html
2014-03-19 20:25:27	@TomWij	wired: Ah, feel free to share; but, I'm thinking along the line of just grepping the individuals and chart their time presence.
2014-03-19 20:25:27	@Tommy[D]	TomWij: i would be carefull about such stats, i might shortly write a comment/line via IRC, but that should not imply i have an hour or two for a meeting ;)
2014-03-19 20:26:01	@wired	1664 days xD
2014-03-19 20:27:05	@Pinkbyte	"Poor bonsaikitten, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 5 times." - i lol'd
2014-03-19 20:27:26	@TomWij	Tommy[D]: Yeah, needs to be aggregated rather than boolean.
2014-03-19 20:27:49	@zlogene	Pinkbyte: he reset my timezone again and again :( 
2014-03-19 20:28:41	@wired	so, lets keep the current meeting time for now and discuss it again over mail?
2014-03-19 20:29:06	@Pinkbyte	fine by me
2014-03-19 20:29:28	@Tommy[D]	fine with me
2014-03-19 20:29:51	@Tommy[D]	zlogene: sure you simply did not set your timezone details with the bot? :)
2014-03-19 20:31:47	@TomWij	wired: Yes, discussing it on mail gives some room to think this through; the options that I see come up afaik: 1) Another whenisgood to see if schedules have changed. 2) Multiple meetings, though that can be an organization problem (different motions, ...). 3) Alternating time meetings, though a meeting with less persons can be a quorum problem. 4) Keep things the way they are, expect absent people to mail
2014-03-19 20:31:47	@TomWij	their opinion / comment / votes; though, this is less fair if they do want to actively talk.
2014-03-19 20:32:22	@wired	I don't like having two meetings, sounds weird.
2014-03-19 20:32:48	@wired	but lets continue this discussion over mail, we need to talk with all members of the team
2014-03-19 20:33:53	@zlogene	!time set  Europe/Moscow 
2014-03-19 20:33:53	willikins	Ok, I'll remember that zlogene is on the Europe/Moscow time zone
2014-03-19 20:34:08	@zlogene	Pinkbyte: thanks for note 
2014-03-19 20:34:39	@TomWij	I count 4 of 6 that vote we discuss this over mail, let's do that then; then we just close this meeting and I guess we can organize another meeting in one or two weeks?
2014-03-19 20:35:17	@TomWij	Probably want to do the actual planning on when to do that meeting in a week or so after we've got feedback and/or an idea on mail.
2014-03-19 20:36:06	@wired	oh, we were discussing about dropping this meeting as well? I'm in, just didn't realize it
2014-03-19 20:36:45	@TomWij	Looking at the other agenda items, there doesn't seem to be anything that important; we need to follow up on the GTK flag issue and Zero_Chaos stable dropping policy feedback, such that we have data on that by next meeting.
2014-03-19 20:37:34	@wired	I recommend we tentantively set the next meeting date to next week's Wednesday and try to figure out if we want to change it over email the next few days
2014-03-19 20:37:35	@TomWij	wired: Someone mentioned it early, given the count is low; 6 people are here (with zlogene studying), ...
2014-03-19 20:38:06	@Tommy[D]	so raise a mail about meeting time and remind Rick about his feedback, i would also suggest to set him a limit like beginning of next meeting for his feedback, so he cannot dely the policy forever
2014-03-19 20:38:19	@wired	++
2014-03-19 20:38:52	@TomWij	++
2014-03-19 20:38:59	@zlogene	+
2014-03-19 20:39:02	@WilliamH	TomWij: I'm still working on the email for the gtk issue, I'll have it ready for the team to look over before next week.
2014-03-19 20:39:51	@WilliamH	TomWij: I got your email and the one from creffett; I am going to come up with an email that puts ideas from both of them together.
2014-03-19 20:40:31	@TomWij	WilliamH: Are you still here? If I remember correctly, were you the person that planned to send a mail regarding the GTK flag issue; how far are we on that? I also remember the GNOME team writing something up, EvaSDK in particular; haven't seen it yet, but I suppose that's intended to be in response of that mail. 
2014-03-19 20:40:47	@TomWij	Didn't look at the screen while typing that. :D
2014-03-19 20:41:07	@TomWij	Okay, sounds good; thank you in advance.
2014-03-19 20:41:24	@WilliamH	TomWij: No problem.
2014-03-19 20:42:45	@Tommy[D]	TomWij: so will you write the mail about meeting time and the reminder for Rick?
2014-03-19 20:42:55	@TomWij	Let's close the meeting then; I'll send up a mail based on Tommy's statement, when we meet again depends on whether the mail will cause a change. 
2014-03-19 20:43:20	@wired	cheers
2014-03-19 20:44:24	@Tommy[D]	so meeting closed and good evening/whatever it currently is in your timezone :)
2014-03-19 20:45:06	@wired	2145 here ;p
2014-03-19 20:45:14	@WilliamH	14:45 here ;-)
2014-03-19 20:45:21	@TomWij	20:45
2014-03-19 20:45:28	@zlogene	23.51 
2014-03-19 20:46:02	@zlogene	ehehe
2014-03-19 20:46:40	@Tommy[D]	zlogene: you win/loose (choose as you wish), you have the highest number :D
2014-03-19 20:47:12	@Tommy[D]	!time
2014-03-19 20:47:12	willikins	Tommy[D]: Europe - Berlin - Wed Mar 19 20:47 CET
2014-03-19 20:47:21	@Tommy[D]	ah, good, still works :)
2014-03-19 20:47:59	@zlogene	Tommy[D]: Pinkbyte live in the same timezone with me :D 
2014-03-19 20:48:28	@Tommy[D]	zlogene: so sadly you have to share your price with him :)
2014-03-19 20:48:51	@TomWij	The two Tom(my)'s are in the same time zone. ^^
2014-03-19 20:50:29	@Tommy[D]	TomWij: so you will never have a price for yourself alone either :p
2014-03-19 20:51:50	@wired	!time
2014-03-19 20:51:51	willikins	wired: Europe - Athens - Wed Mar 19 21:51 EET
2014-03-19 20:52:08	@zlogene	!time 
2014-03-19 20:52:08	willikins	zlogene: Europe - Moscow - Wed Mar 19 23:52 MSK
2014-03-19 20:52:28	@wired	well I'm a bit to the north atm, but OK
2014-03-19 20:52:33	@wired	same timezone :p
2014-03-19 21:25:07	@ulm	sorry I've missed the meeting
2014-03-19 21:29:26	@zlogene	ulm: don't worry, we could not make meeting
2014-03-19 21:30:25	@ulm	yeah, because of other slackers like me :/
2014-03-19 21:30:29	@TomWij	Mail sent.
2014-03-19 22:53:13	@creffett	ulm: don't worry, I missed it too :P